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[–] [email protected] 110 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Simplifying the most recent scroll bar feels like a huge step backwards to me. It really is the epitome of modern tech needlessly boiling down to its basic visual aspects to emulate a "clean" environment for the users.

Give me back my scroll bar texture damnit

[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This. Holy shit is it frustrating to click a pixel wide scroll bar that is on the edge between two monitors. It's even worse when they disappear.

[–] aksdb 34 points 9 months ago

Not just scrollbars. Buttons, input fields, etc.

Dammit I sometimes have to search for elements I can interact with. Back in the day it was self explaining.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I recently had a complaint with a website:

"Users are having trouble scrolling!"

My response:

"Are they using the scroll wheel/directly scrolling with the touchpad, or using the scroll bar?"

They were, of course, using the scroll bar. I am now somehow responsible for design choices made at the level of the browser, because browsers have decided that the scroll bar should be nigh impossible to use. Yippee.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

What really chuffs my spuds is when the application decides they want to provide their own UI rather than using the system default.

[–] Eheran 43 points 9 months ago (3 children)

UIs get worse all the time, very frustrating. Who needs contrast, right? I have good eyes and know exactly where to look. My mother? Holy shit no chance.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Not necessarily for visibility but when i work I NEED FUCKING BORDERS FOR MY FUCKING BRAIN TO KEEP FUCKING STRUCTURE AND NOT EVERYTHING FADING OUT INTO ..yeah thanks i lost the thread again

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Seriously fuck Wikipedia's desktop redesign, I regret that I donated before the change

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In case you weren't aware, there are extensions that you can use to restore the older (better) UIs. Here are a couple:

There are probably some for other browsers as well. I don't use them though. I instead wrote myself a tampermonkey script to change it:

if (!window.location.search.contains('useskin')) {
  var new_url = window.location.protocol
      + "//" + window.location.hostname
      + window.location.pathname;
  if (window.location.search == "") {
    new_url = new_url + "?useskin=monobook";
  } else {
    new_url = new_url + window.location.search + "&useskin=monobook";
  }
  new_url = new_url + window.location.hash;
  window.location.replace(new_url);
}

You can compare the available wikipedia styles on this page to see which one you like best: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Skin?useskin=monobook

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Yeah, and I do that, I just don't think I should have to. I should be able to open the website on a fresh install and not get nauseous using it.

[–] Theharpyeagle 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At least on the bright side, people are becoming much more aware of accessibility. I'd argue that old sites were accessible mainly on accident due to most being restricted to fairly straightforward CSS and HTML. The advent of Javascript was a dark time...

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's really depressing how often I have to turn off CSS entirely just to view a webpage. I could of course always go into the inspector and turn off the bad CSS, but Gecko-based browsers fortunately have "View -> Page Style -> No Style" which is must easier and faster.

And seriously, whoever invented the font-weight CSS property can burn in hell. Ditto for whoever decided that we should only be allowed to read light grey text on slightly lighter grey background.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Its the epitome of technology that as it improves some things become obsolete.

Pretty much every mouse has a scroll wheel on them now. I very seldom click on a scroll bar now. So the design has changed with that consideration in mind.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (6 children)

It's a design choice, not a question of obsolescence. If it were, we'd be talking about their decision on removing the scroll bar, not changing it.

At the very least the style change could have been optional.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago

The elder scrolls, online

[–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Anyone else hate the trend of removing arrow buttons?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago

I hated the trend of flat buttons. Then they removed the buttons. Then they basically removed the entire scrollbar altogether.

At this point, I'd happily go back to the age of flat buttons. That's how bad things have gotten....

[–] hydrospanner 29 points 9 months ago

I am not a fan of the general trend of de-buttoning.

Like... isn't the entire point to make things consistent and intuitive? Make a clickable button visually distinct!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

What I hate is how in Firefox in Linux I only have these tiny "slim" scrollbars that hide when not in use.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure you can disable that behaviour

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Someone actually uses those?

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[–] SomeGuy69 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

2024, scrollbars? What scrollbars? We decided that you don't need them. Sorry but your adblocker and script blocking, broke our own shitty implementation of scrolling. Please enable all scripts for our large ad family to feast on your data.

[–] Waffelson 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I really hate sites that change scrolling It always looks weird and uncomfortable. Who thinks this is a good idea?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Search engine optimizers.
If you spend more time on a site, it looks higher value, so they do everything to increase the time you need to find the info you came for.

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[–] hark 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I like 1998 the most. Easy on the eyes and doesn't distract from the content that would appear on the side, but has enough pop to indicate that it can be interacted with.

[–] Psythik 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For me it's the XP scrollbars that do it for me, cause I was sick and tired of the BSoDs I got during the Win9x era (especially in WinMe). I couldn't wait to get a PC with the newer OS as a teen. It was considerably more stable for me (especially after SP2).

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I yearn to return to 1998.

[–] vampire 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Just install linux and change your gtk/qt theme. It's that easy.

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[–] superduperenigma 11 points 9 months ago

It's easily the best option on this image. Nothing else even comes close in terms of visual clarity and simple aesthetics.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm not a huge fan of the flat button aesthetic. Give me the 3D-esque buttons and the translucent Aero window frames of Windows Vista.

Our GPUs, even the integrated ones, are powerful enough for it now.

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[–] jenny_ball 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

And disappears and reappears without rhyme or reason like it's possessed.

[–] cley_faye 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I miss visible, usable scroll bars. Now they're replaced with… nothing, because we want everything to be invisible while keeping a lot of empty space in modern designs, it seems.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

My favorite is that you can't see if content is actually off screen sometimes. No scrolbar to indicate and often those clean lines just look like the end of the content. Horrible

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Eheran 10 points 9 months ago

Combining 2006 and 2009 would be ideal. High contrast etc.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I actually prefer 1988, the haven't managed to improve it at all

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

It worked well in 1988, but in a world of dark mode UIs you can’t tell which is the highlighted area without contour shading.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did anyone ever rock Windows Longhorn when they were developing vista?

[–] Raptor_007 10 points 9 months ago

Yep, I sure did. For quite a while too, as I recall. I think I was too scared to move to it permanently and dual-booted with WinXP. First time I saw the status bar of a copy or install processing and seeing it do the …rolling colors in the filled in portion I thought something was wrong. I was used to a static status bar where it just filled in and didn’t do anything fancy.

[–] sylver_dragon 18 points 9 months ago

I remember Windows XP coming out and we all mocked it as Windows but with an interface by Crayola. But I'd gladly have that Crayola interface back rather than the flat modern crap we have now.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

It's definitely the superior scroll bar.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I used all of them, I'm feeling old now.

[–] slingstone 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And now I'm blind. Thanks!

[–] mossy_ 10 points 9 months ago

You should've known better, the moth priests have to train for years to use these

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I seem to recall Apple going through a phase when they put both arrows on both sides of the scrollbar.

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