I always liked Wesley Crusher, i didn't know of any complaints about him till way after the Internet got big
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I never understood the hate. Misplaced jealousy? I particularly thought the "Shut up, Wesley" episode was full of adults being dicks to a teenager.
I just genuinely dislike such inexplicably, impossibly smart "genius kid" characters who also seem to possess inexplicably, impossibly vast amounts of knowledge and experience that simply cannot have been acquired in however many years they have been alive.
To be fair the show did try to address that a few times. The episode where he's given his first team, for example, showed him needing real advice from real professionals with real experience. But such episodes were rare. Mostly he was just a general-purpose wunderkind who could solve any problem. An acne ridden teenager who came up with very advanced technical solutions where much more experienced experts drew blanks. Not the most fun trope.
Yeah, my issue wasn't with Wesley or with Wheaton. My issue was what a Mary Sue he usually was. They made progress on that front when he was involved in the death of a fellow student performing a dangerous spacecraft stunt, but lost it all and then some when the magic space Native Americans showed up to invite him to Godhood for being the most specialest boy.
I just genuinely dislike such inexplicably, impossibly smart “genius kid” characters who also seem to possess inexplicably, impossibly vast amounts of knowledge and experience that simply cannot have been acquired in however many years they have been alive.
I went to school with a guy like that. Not only was he unnaturally smart, he also kicked all our asses at Duke Nukem 3D all of the time. Needless to say, I hate his guts.
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I hated his guts as soon as I saw him. Years later I found out that the Internet hates him too. It felt like coming home.
So my biggest issue with Wesley was what an elitist douchebag he could be. He would openly disparage non-Starfleet people, in a way that was at least unprofessional, and at worst outright insulting (like the shuttle pilot picking them up for that crash-on-a-deset-planet episode).
And at the same time, he sucked up to the people above him or who could help his career so unabashedly.
You mean shuttle captain
A captain? Of a shuttle? A-hurr hurr hurr.
I wish Picard had come out with a "shut up Wesley" at that point.
Don't forget, he's physics Mozart
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion around here, but I liked the character Wesley, but find Wheaton the person to be somewhat insufferable
I think his normal chill vibe is way different than his host mode. Hosts have to bring a lot of weirdly excited energy to their platform and you have to be pretty charismatic to pull it off. Don’t like him too much as a host but as a dude he seems cool
I also liked his character up until the very end (no fault of his, just didn’t like the writing). Wish he had powered through in starfleet or at the very least became a regular scientist or something instead of space Jesus lol
Wesley was fine but that last episode is so bad not just because of the traveller stuff. It really felt like one of the early season 1/2 episodes that tried to say something but missed the mark by a wide margin and became problematic in and off itself. Pile on the fact that the Native American advisor for Voyager was a fraud and yeah, it all feels gross. Star Trek did Native Americans dirty.
Star Trek did Native Americans dirty.
And really has yet to make up for it despite having time to.
Oddly enough, the TOS episode The Paradise Syndrome was actually pretty positive about indigenous Americans despite being made during a time when they were still the "redskin savage" on a lot of other TV shows. Kirk doesn't just fall in love with Miramanee, but with her culture and their way of life, and there's very little 'noble savage' or 'mystical Indian' bullshit. It's a great story about how a "backward" culture compared to a far advanced one might not be so backward after all.
It did have the typical problem of that era of Miramanee being played by a white actor with actual indigenous actors playing smaller roles, but it was still a better depiction in my (admittedly non-indigenous) eyes.
Hey man, everyone has the same eyes; we're all human. Although Chinese eyes are definitely prettier.
It was the other way around for me.
No idea what he's like in private, but he was active on reddit, and was always willing to be friendly.
Wesley was a douche lol. I kinda liked him anyway, but he was an arrogant little shit.
Wil has a tendency to overreact to things that he finds upsetting or offensive, but I like him otherwise.
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I miss Tabletop. Other similar shows never quite captured the same energy for me.
Most of the other shows are just explanations of how to play a game. Tabletop felt like friends hanging out to play them. It's the same thing that makes a good D&D show. We want to be a part of something if it actually looks like they're friends hanging out and having fun.
If either you or @zagorath aren't aware of it, Dimension 20 is an amazing table top series that is absolutely a bunch of friends sitting around playing D&D. I've been hooked the last 6-8 months as we work through the series.
I'm aware of Dimension 20, though as far as Dropout productions go I'm much more a fan of Um, Actually. Wil Wheaton's Tabletop was actually not an RPG actual-play, it was a board game show. A very different genre of show.
I'm aware of them. I've been listening to Tabletop Gold recently, which is only audio but it's good. It's Pathfinder 2E, which I hope we see a lot more of. Everyone knows of D&D, but P2e is the better system.
Yeah same here, such an amazing show.
Forbidden Desert with Alan Tudyk was a personal favourite of mine. "Why can't we just go where we're bidden?"
I think one of my favs would have been Fury of Dracula, with Grant Imahara. That highly asymmetric game design is fascinating to me, and add in Grant Imahara's presence? Yes please!
I also loved Dread, which is just such a fantastic and clever bit of game design, with a really strong sense of ludonarrative consonance.
I can't recommend No Rolls Barred enough. Their chaotic energy is a delight every week.
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Need some kind of follow up beyond "Yup, I'm still here. You should join my crew of Travellers to do... time stuff." that we saw on Picard season 2.
Shhhhhh I haven't watched Picard yet >_>
Q hangs dong.
Do the continuum has capital punishment? What did Dong do?
Mass genocide. Sexual genocide which nobody but Q could have pulled off.
Well its about damn time.
There were no survivors.
Let’s just say it doesn’t explain much
That scene was so lazy and gratuitous. It was like they tried to find the worst Star Trek-themed deus ex machina.
Everyone knows Wil Wheaton's never rolled a 20.
People actively avoid letting him touch their dice lol.
Be a founding cast member of TNG, but you're not remembered as a crew member
Run multiple games on your own gaming series, but you're not considered a legendary GM
But you roll 10 nat 1's on Critical Role…
Sure, he saved the ship... he also almost destroyed the ship by inventing sentient self-replicating microscopic robots and then leaving the lid off the dish.
Everyone has their off days. If I had a nickel for every time I created an entirely new form of life that went off the rails... well, I'd be broke, but the important part is that we take the good, we take the bad, mix em up and then we have... um, the 80s, I think.
I had always heard that he was the most popular character by volume of fan mail. It was just that the minority of people that hated him really hated him.
Thought that was an 8.
Yeah, the viewing angle makes it unclear.
It must be hard being the least liked of the Crusher family, which is quite impressive considering his mother is the worst Starfleet doctor in existence.
And still not the most disliked doctor on the Enterprise
To be fair, that's really not saying much.
Her other son is a much bigger asshole and Wesley is still the least liked.
Approved.
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