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like, if i'm feeling bad but force myself to do something, i usually feel better. how to maintain the usefulness of this advice without presenting it as 'fuck your feelings', in that usual arrogant right wing sort of way

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm going to analyze this assuming you're more manly than not, since that's where my experience is at.

Emotions are separate, related issues that can be tackled just like a man can. A therapist with "Men's Issues" experience knows how to frame the woo and abstractions of regular therapy with more actionable techniques. Someone with very intense or inappropriate emotions may need to face the emotions MORE than the problem at hand. There are techniques and viewpoints to be understood, and I had to use these myself.

It's stuff like simple facts about emotions. They exist. They influence your actions. They can be modified and analyzed. They need to be managed like an adult manages a child. Ignoring emotions can compact them into deep seated hurt that induce more emotions. Process your past to free yourself from that hurt. It won't be fast, but it needs to be done.

If certain situations that cause emotions can be avoided, do so when reasonable. If they cannot be ignored, recognize that external help through tools, techniques, and friends are not weakness, but the weapons you use to to fight your battles. Forgive yourself slipping while always focusing on the output. Learn to cry, and know how it makes you more powerful and strong.

Notice that this is closer to "wise old karate master" or "Boy Scout Scoutmaster" talk. It's what men crave but rarely find in popular media. IF the person does not have issues with their emotions and have a sufficiently sized ego, pulling them through the first steps of anxiety and hesitation is enough to make someone feel competent and secure. Positive visualization, goading their ego, pushing buttons (gently), it's good for many men but not for all of them, and it just doesn't translate to a lot of women. Expand your arsenal of emotional management for your target audience. You're a good person for wanting to find a better way to help others.

[–] LeafOnTheWind 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

*cue Mulan Make a Man Out of You song

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Man, I fuckin love that song. I'm surprised there hasn't been a lot of hate towards it, at least that I've seen. I've seen some pretty vitriolic things aimed at media making far more innocuous implications lmao

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

"Fucking pretend you know what you are doing." Always seems to work. Feel how you feel l, and don't shame yourself for fear.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Buckle up Buckaroo

Edit: The wife and I always use the term "rally". Like, "Here we go a-rallying again" or "we're rally-gals today". So maybe instead of "man-up", you could try "It's time to rally"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Get prehistoric, go full barbarian, hulk it out, become psychosocial.

[–] Smoogs 1 points 9 months ago

When someone says “Somebody should….”

Remind them we’re all somebody.

[–] Raiderkev 1 points 9 months ago

Don't be such a pussy, pussy, You a damn pussy.

https://youtu.be/DgvGIjzRMWk?si=cqjLrlnM-vxovWCD

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Time to shine? There's always old mate at work who has a good one-liner. "The shit jobs are the good jobs" (everyone knows it's a rubbish job so they'll cut you some slack) "Sometimes your the fuckor & sometime your the fuckee" "Weeeel, that's a shitter" "Maybe kick this one back to the brains trust" And so on

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

"Machines are for breaking & plans are for changing"

[–] testfactor 1 points 9 months ago

My usual is: Can't stop, won't stop!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I tend to think of it like a personal trainer, "push, you got this, one more rep". More positive and gender neutral.

[–] muntedcrocodile 1 points 9 months ago

I think the fuck your feelings is part of its effectivness its a reminder they dont matter in the face of the problem and you must work past them. The whole arrogent right wing thing well do u want to change your language to accomodate such people changing what words mean?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"You'll feel better once you go through" IMO fits rather well what OP is asking for. Specially for self-advice.

[mini-rant] People, stop assuming random orthogonal shit into the left-right axis. Seriously.

I can get why "man up" would be typically right-winger due to the sex-based stereotypes. ("Rather curiously" not mentioned by anyone here, right?) However, doing it directly with the "fuck your feelings" is stupid. [/mini-rant]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm confused what you mean by your mini-rant. Are you asserting that "fuck your feelings" and "man up" are not right wing coded, but equally likely to come from a leftist? I think theoretically that's maybe true but anecdotally that language does tend to be used by the right and not so much by the left, in my experience

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[–] Drivebyhaiku 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is something of a line between self-care and self-coddling. This is an example of active self care. Sometimes feeling better is a matter of building resistance to the desire to administer convenient but less enduring instant self gratification.

Maybe conceive of it as refusing to spoil your inner child who operates emotionally and not logically?

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[–] frankenswine 1 points 9 months ago

bro down, dude

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this just an insult?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago
[–] TeckFire 1 points 9 months ago

Reminds me of a short YouTube recommended to me here. In the second part, it talks about a guy who just tells himself “FORTIFY!!” As a similar vein, it’s pretty funny.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's weird that I was thinking about this just yesterday. I concluded there isn't much good way to make it not sound like an insult, but you could make it less about gender.

Things like "Don't be a baby." Or "Don't be a scaredy cat." Because it's often just fear holding someone back that elicits these phrases, and I do feel that encouraging people to push past fears is a good thing overall. There just aren't any established phrases I could think of that would work the same way without also making the one saying it seem cold.

[–] Oaksey 1 points 9 months ago

GSD - Get Shit Done

[–] hanekam 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Grit your teeth

Stiff upper lip

Sisu

Many ways to articulate this

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago
[–] DandomRude 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I try to think about how happy and content Future-me will be once the job is done. I confirm the accuracy of this thought to myself by thinking back to how it was in the past when I completed some task that was difficult for me. So I think of an experience where I realized in hindsight that it wasn't actually that bad and that I was worrying for nothing that I might somehow fail. And even with things that ultimately didn't go well, I can still reassure future-me that there was no need to make a big deal out of it, because even my failures have lost their horror over time; for example, embarrassing moments at school, awkward dates or bad presentations at work. All these things are just water under the bridge or at best even funny when I think back on them today - and that's how it will be in the future: as soon as the job is done, I'll be alright, regardless of whether I succeed or not.

[–] lanolinoil 1 points 9 months ago
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