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An Insane Missouri Law Prevents Pregnant Women From Getting Divorced—Even If They’re Victims of Domestic Violence (www.vanityfair.com)

submitted 8 months ago by MicroWave to c/politics

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State representative Ashley Aune is trying to fight it, but doesn’t have high hopes.

Something you might have picked up on over the last several weeks/years/centuries is that there are a disturbing number of people in power who will go to great lengths to control women in America. Not convinced? Thinking of citing the fact that in some countries, women are stoned to death (as though that makes what happens here okay)? Then we’d like to make you aware of a law in Missouri that says pregnant women cannot get a divorce finalized if they’re pregnant—even if said pregnant people are victims of domestic violence.

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[–] indomara 76 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Honestly, the rules and laws on divorce are so wild across the country. I was married in California but my husband left after 6 months. I hadn't see him in 9 or 10 years, had no idea where he was.

Because I was in the state of Kentucky when I filed, I had to go to a church run "divorce education class" on how to save my marriage and complete a little workbook.

Completely insane class, I stayed in the back and tried to stay silent, but the teacher forced me to participate and asked some leading question about how I could communicate better with my spouse to prevent a divorce or some shit.

Told her I had no idea where my spouse was, that he had left after 6 months and that I had to hire a private investigator (and a police officer!) to serve my divorce papers. The whole thing was nuts.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 45 points 8 months ago

Okay, but have you tried praying to Jesus for salvation? Like, really tried? I don't think you tried hard enough, sweetie. I'm going to fail you and make you repeat the class.

[–] ChewTiger 15 points 8 months ago

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

[–] Wogi 9 points 8 months ago

OBVIOUSLY he's just playing hard to get because you don't spend enough time cooking and bathing him. It's actually your fault and if you accept sky Daddy hard enough he'll come running back.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Horrific

[–] [email protected] 64 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Especially if they're victims of domestic violence

Male or female, what other purpose could a law like this serve except to give abusers a route to legally trap their victim?

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[–] Nurse_Robot 53 points 8 months ago (13 children)

For those who don't have time to read the title or the article:

Missouri insane

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[–] Plague_Doctor 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is insane! I'm so confused about why a pregnancy and a divorce have to be mutually exclusive. What was this intended to prevent? Other than the obvious reason of controlling women.

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[–] EdibleFriend 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Can't read the entire article. Is this something new?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Arizona, Arkansas, Missouri, and Texas. Lawmakers claim it's to prevent issues with things like child support, visitation, etc, before paternity can be established. This article does a pretty good job summarizing the situations:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/02/28/pregnant-women-divorce-missouri-texas-arkansas-arizona/72763848007/

[–] ByteJunk 7 points 8 months ago

Paternity tests can be done during pregnancy...

[–] loveluvieah 5 points 8 months ago

I'm a paralegal, and Wisconsin is the same. We had a headache in one case a couple years ago where nobody knew the other party was pregnant, not even her attorney, until the final hearing and she was asked the generic question about pregnancy before finalizing. We then had to do a partial final judgment and schedule another final hearing a couple of months after her expected due date to fully finalize it.

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[–] SinningStromgald 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Law is from 1973 and was amended in 2016.

[–] EdibleFriend 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I was hoping it was some old bullshit on the books nobody looks at anymore. Do people tho? I have been here in MO my whole life and this is the first ive heard of this. Is it something they actually enforce?

[–] nelly_man 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It sounds like this it is actively preventing people from getting divorced.

This is something that was brought to me by folks in my community who shared that it was a huge problem,” Aune said. In a committee meeting, she shared the story of a woman affected by the existing law, saying: “Not only was she being physically and emotionally abused, but there was reproduction coercion used. When she found out she was pregnant and asked a lawyer if she could get a divorce, she was essentially told no. It was so demoralizing for her to hear that. She felt she had no options.”

[–] EdibleFriend 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yay. Another fucking reason to hate this shit hole state.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

And the USA is supposed to be a first world country?

[–] Demuniac 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh no it's not, it hasn't been that for a while. Some states may look like it, but some are straight up third world.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

First world country only if you're in a certain percentage of income.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

By original definition, USA is a first world country because they supported the USA and other Western countries in the cold war: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/first-world.asp

[–] MJKee9 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is common. In Tennessee, a judge won't divorce you if pregnant because it would effectively bastardize the child. By statute, there is a presumption that husband is dad if wife is impregnated during marriage. You can't divorce without a parenting plan. So you have to wait until birth to rebut the parentage presumption. I had a client try to get around it by requesting a test of the amniotic fluid, but the judge wouldn't allow it because of the potential harm to the child.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Hmmm. State is trying to live up to it's name, and make people live in misery.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Possibly related note: Jesus's rules on divorce do not permit a woman to leave an abusive marriage.

Depending on which gospel you're reading a man may either leave an adulterous wife(Matthew)or not under any circumstances(mark, luke).

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Horrifying. Fucking barbaric shit you see in other countries where women have no rights.

[–] Bonesy91 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So glad I signed up to vote this year. Missouri I'm disappointed in you so much right now

[–] kofe 7 points 8 months ago

As an AFAB Missourian I'm fucking terrified.

[–] Yewb 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Missouri is a toilet bowl!

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[–] nutsack 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

marriage is a complicated mess of a contract that married people don't usually understand. it's not consistent across state lines and the number of absurd legal situations it can lead to is crazy

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[–] TengoDosVacas 6 points 8 months ago

Someone explain to me again how wanting to crush radical fascist talk radio saturation is bad because "free speech".

If all other perspectives are suppressed for any reason including profitability you can STFU

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Slavery

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

World looking at the United States: shaking head

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