Imagine actually using TikTok. Life is too short to spend your time on that shit.
this post was submitted on 01 Feb 2024
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Why must people yuck other people's yum?
I used to watch Tiktok a lot. It's the primary way I heard and learned about left side politics. It has it's uses.
Yeah I genuinely see no difference between tiktok and other social media. Everyone on reddit/lemmy loves to hate on tiktok I never really got why. If it's because of data collection they're doing nothing any different than Facebook, insta, etc. Now X, that's another story lol.
I think Western people just have a bias where it's fine if their own country does it, but when their boogeyman China is doing the same exact thing, it's all of the sudden scary and bad.
I, personally, think TikTok is not great for people or society, but I have the same exact feelings about Facebook, Instagram, and all of the major Western run social media stuff. TikTok is by no means any worse than them. For that reason, Lemmy is the only social media account I have at this point, but I dont judge anyone for using any of them. The majority of the people criticizing TikTok are hypocritical, for sure.
Yeah. All of these social media platforms are pretty bad. TikTok has been caught abusing android bugs, basically behaving like a virus. I'm sure the others have done something similar.
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Lemmy is not better if your concerned about using your time wisely
True, but lemmy content is less click baity and less refreshed in general which makes me use it less, and I actually love that.
I don't want more content!
I dunno. It’s full of articles, I’m reading news constantly, I’m discussing social topics with—now that I think I about it, surprisingly level headed people sharing interesting opinions….i learn a lot here. Sure, I also get shown really stupid shit. But I spend the majority of my time reading stuff. And looking up other stuff when I discuss things. So I’d disagree. Respectfully. My good friend.
It's better because it includes the friction of clicking through instead of being force fed videos one after the other.
Time enjoyed is not wasted.
Of course, Tik Tok isn't my jam, so it would be a waste of time for me.
Let's not suggest that addiction to social media somehow counts as time enjoyed
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I don't use TikTok, but this comment has it backwards. Life is too short to deny yourself fun for some kind of perceived superiority.
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I watch a tiktok maybe once a day. The algorithm is mostly cooking and science for me. It's highly enjoyable content if you get past the noise and obviously don't overuse it. That can be said for any social media app, including lemmy.
I think it's a short-sighted move by Universal. Granted, maybe they know something we don't (Tiktok getting banned soon), but the benefit in TikTok for artists isn't necessarily the revenue but the promotion of their songs. They are short clips, usually no more than 15~20 seconds long. Lots of people use the songs in their videos, lots more people listen to a clip and want to listen to the full thing -> they go to youtube or apple music or whatever where Universal presumably would make a much larger share of the revenue.
This should have far more upvotes than the easy “TikTok sucks” comments above. Whether you like the platform or not, it directly generates revenue for the musicians.
Anecdotally, the amount of times my kids have heard a song on TikTok then gone on to Apple Music and added it to their playlist - then usually listening to other songs by the same artists - must be in the hundreds by now.
TikTok basically controls the Billboard Hot 100 right now. Some say that's why 2023 was, according to a lot of pop music critics, such a bad year for pop.
But honestly, TikTok losing control over Billboard or less UMG artists on the charts are both positives to me.
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Oh I see you haven't met yet. Kava, this is the recording industry, they wish it was legal to shoot you in the face for humming a song that sounds like one they own the copyright for unless you've paid them to hum it.
The recording industry, you're going to need a subpoena before I introduce anyone to you.
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TikTok is garbage and I don’t care how much my mate tries to get me to join, every time he sends me a link to some portrait mode video I cringe.
Everyone is a “content creator” nowadays. Which just makes the majority of said content complete shit.
If it makes you feel any better, I spent 4 minutes in my browser debug tools, deleting the mandatory login trash overlay to see a TikTok video a friend sent me. I was immediately disappointed with all of it and, while I was vindicated in my choice to not log in, I learned my lesson.
In my humble opinion of course
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The copyright shit does go too far sometimes, but if this means I can go into public without having to hear TT on 10 different phones around me at once, I’m a fan.
Right?
Put on your damn headphones if YOU want to listen to some dumb shit. Stop with the ear rape, ffs.
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Just imagine how much more stupid all the TickThots will look making those stupid dance moves without any music
I love when people edit real sounds over dance videos. Grunts, shoe squeaks, clothes rustling.
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Oh no no no....also good.
Anyways, I’m going to go back to doom scrolling on this other social media site.
Let me just say that I learned more useful and interesting things than I ever did on any other social media platform to date. I also haven’t had a Facebook insta or any of that ilk since 2015. Reddit, then TikTok, then here at Lemmy is all I’ve had since then.
I found lots of videos giving me awesome facts about animals I never learned in school or elsewhere! (A opossum is naturally immune to rabies and is actually good for your wildlife area!)
I learned multiple ways to make things easier on myself, some being: car maintenance, cleaning, cooking, grocery shopping, acceptance of others and of myself, and laws and politics (that they then give you multiple sources for or show you the website or place they got their info) just to name a few!
While I still get videos that I find funny, most of them have been actually beneficial to me which I couldn’t believe I had been hating on TikTok for so long because I thought it was just dumbass pranks or mindless drivel like “satisfying” videos or whatever.
I’m not saying use it, because I haven’t in a few weeks, but it can actually give you really good and quality content.
Before I would get any itch to join the TikTok trend back when it started, I heard that the Chinese Communist Party was collecting some worrying amount of information on their user base, has been suppressing and/or blocking content that raised voice about the uyghur situation and did various nasty things. So I thought I would stay away from that until the situation improves. I have never heard a fraction of information about that happening. Did everyone just suddenly stop caring about how disgustingly TikTok treats privacy and user data (and how they suppress voices they don't like), or did I just simply miss the bit where they stopped doing all those things?
Because that's one of the many reasons I haven't touched it with a stick.
The vast majority of people don't actually care about any of the issues you raised. They care more about fitting in with their friends and engineered dopamine hits.
The vast majority of humans are useless fucks that act as though they're incapable of thinking beyond their own self interests, or even less. 🤷🏼♂️
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Every social media site does the exact same thing. There was just an article on here the other day about the US government buying people's information from data brokers. How is that any different? Meta has been censoring anything pro-Palestine, Twitter is a breeding ground for Nazis, YouTube picks and chooses what counts as "mature content" aka what gets monetized. The way TikTok treats privacy is how every social media platform treats it, it has nothing to do with them being Chinese.
Every social media site does the exact same thing
I sure hope Blåhaj Lemmy isn't doing any of that crap.
the US government buying people’s information from data brokers. How is that any different?
Um, isn't that obvious? The US government accesses information collected by private companies. The Chinese government controls a source of news that is used by billions of people. Those are totally different things.
Sure, TikTok insists they have no ties to the government. But there's plenty of evidence exposing that as a blatant lie.
Not sure what Meta/Twitter/YouTube have to do with this. Bringing them up is at best a distraction. If you don't trust them (I don't, for the record) don't use those platforms. Simple.
There was literally a Senate hearing today about KOSA, the bill allowing the US government the legal grounds to control sources of information on the internet. So no, they aren't totally different things.
And I was specifically referring to this part that OP said:
I heard that the Chinese Communist Party was collecting some worrying amount of information on their user base
The only difference between the Chinese government and the US government collecting information is that the US goes through a middleman who aggregates it from multiple sources.
Meta/Twitter/YouTube have everything to do with this because they're doing the exact same thing. Do I need to mention the numerous times Facebook has been sued for illegal data collection? Cambridge Analytica ring a bell?
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TikTok is utter trash all around but the music is the second worst part, closely behind the stupid ass fake voices.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
TikTok videos have gone silent after vast number of songs were removed from the app.
Universal represents many of the world and TikTok’s biggest stars, such as Taylor Swift, Harry Styles and Adele.
A statement written as “an open letter to the artist and songwriter community” said: “TikTok proposed paying our artists and songwriters at a rate that is a fraction of the rate that similarly situated major social platforms pay.
“Today, as an indication of how little TikTok compensates artists and songwriters, despite its massive and growing user base, rapidly rising advertising revenue and increasing reliance on music-based content, TikTok accounts for only about 1% of our total revenue.
A statement from TikTok said: “It is sad and disappointing that Universal Music Group has put their own greed above the interests of their artists and songwriters.
“Despite Universal‘s false narrative and rhetoric, the fact is they have chosen to walk away from the powerful support of a platform with well over a billion users that serves as a free promotional and discovery vehicle for their talent.
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And nothing of value was lost.
Universal Music Group has put their own greed above the interests of their artists and songwriters.
They want to be paid?! What is this.
... that serves as a free promotional and discovery vehicle for their talent.
Yeah, cause artists (well, people in general) love getting paid in exposure.
I know it's become a meme, but exposure is a real tangible thing. If I get a clip of my song onto millions of people's phone screens and I don't pay for it, it's basically thousands (if not tens of thousands) of dollars of free advertising.
Just because some asshole on Facebook marketplace is begging for free commissions doesn't invalidate the benefits you can gain from exposure in general.
Having said all that, we are talking about Universal not some indie folk band. The same thing Tiktok is doing to Universal (paying a very small %) is exactly what Universal does to artists. I have very little empathy for either Tiktok or Universal.
On the topic, I actually support Tiktok more in the sense that independent artists now have the means to go viral much more easily on a platform which inevitably leads to organic growth + success. Universal is a behemoth from an era that hasn't fully died.
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Exposure is great until you try to pay for your groceries with exposure. The manager of my local ACME hasn’t been very receptive.
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