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[–] grue 167 points 11 months ago (4 children)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 63 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Note: This is sure as shit not meant to downplay or deny Israel's ongoing genocide. Only to point out the absurdity of some online leftists in simping for Hamas and expressing disbelief that far-right theocrats with a history of committing terrible crimes would commit terrible crimes.

[–] grue 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I saw that, which is why I didn't label the character "OP." It was intended more of a response in general, not a specific criticism of you.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago
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[–] WallEx@feddit.de 83 points 11 months ago (19 children)

Its warcriminals fighting warcriminals, change my mind.

[–] Stovetop 66 points 11 months ago (15 children)

The only thing I can say is that both have no problem with harming combatants and civilians alike, but one side is disproportionately killing civilians with the resources at their disposal (Israel) just because they can.

I'm not convinced that Hamas wouldn't do the same if the tables were turned, but one side needs to be better if we're ever to see an end to this conflict.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. Hamas doesn't have any moral high ground, but the one that needs to be restrained at this moment in time is Israel.

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[–] surewhynotlem 23 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I always thought the IDF was supposed to be super skilled and tactical. I expected surgical strikes to take out terrorists and minimize civilian casualties. They had a reputation for strength.

Turns out they're either incompetent or they're genocidal or both. Hint: both.

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[–] sab@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I guess it's war criminals killing civilians, mostly.

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[–] cashews_best_nut 77 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Who has ever said they're communists?

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 56 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 12 points 11 months ago

Gotta keep that connection between violence and communism alive or people may start to think it's not true.

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[–] Leviathan 73 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Yeah and so is Israel. I don't support either, I support Palestinians.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago
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[–] Wilzax 50 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Hamas is indisputably the enemy, the issue is that the tactics Israel uses to eliminate them also cause more civilian damage than should ever be acceptable. Often they target hospitals and schools where Hamas activity isn't even confirmed, seemingly just to cripple infrastructure and kill Palestinians.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It makes Palestinians leave, making it easier for them to get the land. Isreal has made no secret of wanting everything up to Jordan.

[–] EisFrei 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It also radicalizes them, creating the next generation of terrorists.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Exactly. They are making the same mistakes as the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you have 10 terrorists and you kill 5 of them, you have 30 terrorists.

Our greatest successes were when we helped put in infrastructure for the locals. In my global economics class in college, I remember that when a playground was put in a city, al-Qaeda militants were eventually seen playing on the structures. It's a silly anecdote, but when you lift people out of desperate times, you lift them out of taking desperate measures.

Of course saying this terrorism is purely about economic hardship is only a part of the picture. There is a hatred against Jews that is widespread and isn't going away anytime soon (especially for those countries still following the Khartoum resolution: No peace with Israel, No negotiation with Israel, No recognition of Israel), so there needs to be some hard power Israel needs to wield. Unfortunately BB has gone rogue and has decided to put all his chips on hard power and that won't help.

[–] Damionsipher 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"The enemy" of who? If a group is elevated to being an enemy due to the killing of civilians, the Israel government would easily meet that standard before Hamas.

[–] Wilzax 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The enemy of a fair and peaceful life for the innocent. Both Hamas and Israel have made it clear that they want conquest, not peace.

Israel is also the enemy. The enemy of our enemy should not always be our friend

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[–] bort@feddit.de 39 points 11 months ago (10 children)

who thought hamas was communist?

[–] Drivebyhaiku 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Communist (noun)

  1. Anybody who trying to make Conservatives feel remotely guilty for being totally chill with a lot of people starving, being unhoused in unsanitary conditions and being denying life saving medical care because they are poor, foreign or inconvenient.

  2. Authoritarian bogeyman who will destroy civilization via terrorism

  3. Not a Republican

By the Conservative rubric of identifying communists we're pretty much all weilding a hammer and sickle.

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[–] licherally 33 points 11 months ago (16 children)

I don't disagree with this, but Hamas was created by Israel, and now Israel is bombing all of Gaza because of Hamas. It really seems like Israel has been planning this genocide for a loooong time.

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[–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But you see, in a dialectical analysis, far-right terrorists like Hamas serve a progressive role by not being the US, and therefore deserve critical support by leftists who are definitely not crypto-fascists. —Marxist-Leninists

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 25 points 11 months ago

I see you've met Lemmygrad.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

Note: This is sure as shit not meant to downplay or deny Israel's ongoing genocide. Only to point out the absurdity of some online leftists in simping for Hamas and expressing disbelief that far-right theocrats with a history of committing terrible crimes would commit terrible crimes.

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[–] fidodo 24 points 11 months ago (16 children)

I don't know why it's so hard for certain people to understand that sometimes (actual most of the time), all sides are the bad guys.

[–] sunbytes 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe, there are more sides than just the people with guns and bombs.

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[–] niktemadur 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's incredible that this meme has a reason to exist, that there truly are people who refuse to accept the obvious, that Hamas is an extreme radical organization that feeds on hatred and is more than willing to use and abuse their own population as cannon fodder, for martyrdom-propaganda purposes.

[–] chuckleslord 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yep, and that the existence of Hamas doesn't give Israel the right to Genocide anyone. It seems really simple on the surface, but fucking Christ do humans love their team sports analogs.

"If you don't full-throated support Israel, you're antisemitic and must love Hamas"

I actually hate both, because both are doing extreme harm, but Israel is on a different level and actively supports Hamas because they're useful opposition. Hamas is a symptom of the oppression that Israel has instituted.

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[–] LavaPlanet 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah maybe but Netanyahu put Hamas in power, against recommendations, and blatantly obvious issues. It had to be purposeful so he had a target that "deserved" to be bombed, so the campaign for the last 70 years could speed up.

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[–] EuroNutellaMan 16 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Doesn't justify the bombing of hospitals and civilians. Nobody likes Hamas but they're the result of Israel's illegal annexation of Palestinian territories and subsequent genocide.

What do you think the Palestinians who had their house and families expropriated, blown up and/or resettled by an Apartheid State will do? Not like/join the guys who want to get rid of Israel more?

Before Israel's bombing campaign, Hamas wasn't very popular among Palestinians, now however I assume Israel gave Hamas way more recruits.

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[–] Filthmontane 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The PPP are the Communist freedom fighters and Israel has funded Hamas for years to stop the PPP from coming into power. It's easier to fight radical fundamentalists than it is to fight socialists.

[–] dulce_3t_decorum_3st 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's easier to fight radical fundamentalists than it is to fight socialists.

Excuse me, what?

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Radical fundamentalists, I believe they're saying, make more palatable enemies. Same essential reason why Hamas was funded by Israel to split Palestinian support from Fatah - Fatah, as a secular and nominally leftist organization drew some international sympathy - Hamas, much less.

The other side of the coin is that Hamas was able to rise in the first place because Fatah had become incredibly corrupt and inept.

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[–] TrickDacy 15 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Weird, didn't know that people thought well of Hamas...

I kind of hate this meme format though because it's normally used to erect straw men, in my experience.

[–] EuroNutellaMan 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I kind of hate this meme format though because it's normally used to erect straw men, in my experience.

Boy do I have some news for you

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[–] JigglySackles 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That part supporters of either group fail at is that neither Hamas or the Israeli government are worthy of support or in the right. One behaves worse than the other at the moment. But there can never be peace with those two in power. It's a really fucked situation and my heart really hurts for the people caught in the crossfire of it all.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Shit the communists I know saw this coming a mile away and were some of the first trying to make sure people understood Hamas is a right wing theocratic movement.

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