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Donald Trump has a big problem ahead (www.politico.com)

submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave to c/politics

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A whole swath of GOP voters appears firmly committed to not voting for Trump in November.

Donald Trump has a problem no matter what happens in New Hampshire on Tuesday night: There’s a whole swath of the Republican electorate and a good chunk of independents who appear firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes the nominee.

It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

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[–] MegaUltraChicken 105 points 11 months ago (55 children)

"I can't morally support the lesser of 2 evils"

Yes you can. Not voting/third party voting helps the Republican party. This is a mathematical fact. Every single person who doesn't vote for Joe Biden and could is supporting Donald Trump. If you're an eligible voter you can only influence the election in one of two directions. There is no "sitting out" option. It does not exist. Not voting does not remove your influence on the results, it simply lessens the impact.

Biden is not my first choice by any means, but this is the reality of the situation. If you think it could be fixed by electing Republicans to power I would be very interested in hearing how the fuck that would work.

[–] excitingburp 9 points 11 months ago

Not voting is ultimately voting for whoever wins the election.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 11 months ago (18 children)

There's a lot of stupid people in these interviews:

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

You voted for him in 2016 I might grant ignorance then, but in 2020?

Then there's democrats on the other side turning up their noses at the idea of voting for Biden as the lesser of two evils. This is an existential fight for democracy and people are getting persnickety with fascism at the gates?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can forgive some Trump voters in 16. A lot of them were just following the time honored script of republicans good, democrats bad, go team. I knew a few that eventually saw it for what it is and had enough character to admit they were wrong.

But that’s pretty damn limited. We knew who he was in 16. There were no surprises for most of us during his presidency. If you then voted for him in 2020 you had excuse. You were just a fucking idiot.

If you vote for him in 24. You’re not only an idiot you particularly hate America and you’re a joke.

[–] june 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Shit, there was a second where even I thought that Trump might make a good president. I was disavowed of that thought very quickly, but it existed in this progressive’s head for a second. I can forgive 2016 for a lot of people, but I cannot for 2020 or 2024.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I voted for him in '16. Mostly to thumb my nose at establishment and how much I hate Hillary. I honestly thought the power houses in D.C. were going to wrangle him and keep him on a short leash.

Wow, did that turn into a nightmare. (For the record, he lost big in my state, MA.) And obviously I did not vote for the Cheeto chimp in '20.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 6 points 11 months ago

Had no idea he was a demented fraud and rapist, eh. Yeah sometimes things are just confusing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I voted third party for the same reason. I thought Trump would do so many stupid things that the courts would actually put up guard rails and we would see some limits to the expanded power that the executive branch has been creeping into over the past few decades.

[–] partial_accumen 6 points 11 months ago

Better late than never for him to come to the realization.

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[–] Zombiepirate 58 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Given the choice, GOP primary voters will overwhelmingly choose the bigoted dumbass who has never won the national popular vote, and they'll be confounded when he loses it again a third time.

Almost like being an arrogant stupid loudmouth chode is unpopular? No way to know.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

As I read the first sentence of your comment, I thought i was still reading the article summary. My jaw dropped! How I wish we would see professional journalists laying out the hard truth like that!

Thank you.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Is it jail? Should definitely be jail.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Maybe in a country that isn't corrupt.

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[–] june 43 points 11 months ago

Don’t get lazy. Get out the vote.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,”

I heard the same from Republicans the last two times. Each time, they lined up and voted Trump.

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[–] xantoxis 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well, he has two big problems ahead. The bigger one than this is we already held this election and he lost.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Not only that; he lost before Jan6.

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[–] linearchaos 21 points 11 months ago

Hope for the best and stay vigilant

Way too many polls have Even ods or Trump winning. We need people to get out there and vote like their lives depend upon it.

[–] toiletobserver 19 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Nevermind the difficulty of running things from prison.

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[–] xc2215x 12 points 11 months ago

Good for these voters.

[–] loxo 11 points 11 months ago

Trump is a symptom of the disease that will never die. We all have to keep fighting, voting, discussing. Late stage capitalism will attempt to silence us all.

[–] mercano 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The quote makes it sound like the Amherst voter is comfortable voting for some amount of corruption, just not too much.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We have to hope that enough of the left will suck it up and vote for Biden. I get it guys, he's got a lot of issues. I don't particularly like him, but if we want our country to continue being more-or-less free, we don't have a choice. It's that or prepare for a civil war, and I know I don't particularly want to die on the mason-dixon line

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thank god there are still sane Republicans. I know MAGATs are the loud minority of their party, but it is disheartening seeing some of the "real" Republicans being ok with voting for someone who literally said they will be a dictator. Not to mention the fact that trump has also been using nazi talking points.

Disclaimer: I am not Republican nor do I agree with their "policies", but I know people who vote R just because the politicians pretend to present Christian values and fight for small businesses.

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