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[–] [email protected] 236 points 9 months ago (4 children)

“Three out of four of the cable and broadband customers who called to cancel end up retaining some or all service after speaking with an agent.”

Because threatening to leave is the only way to get a half-decent price?

[–] SinningStromgald 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have never gotten a better price by threatening to cancel. I was instead told to cancel and signup again in a year or two so I could qualify for "new customer" pricing. There is no reward for loyalty with Telcos.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

I imagine it depends on the availability of viable competition in the area. In many areas of the US, there is only one ISP available to customers, so when people threaten to cancel, they know that most of them are bluffing.

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[–] PlantObserver 117 points 9 months ago (8 children)

NordVPN literally will not let me delete my account. My 3 years is over, there is no method to delete when signed in to their site. You have to fill out a form with your payment details and shit to "verify your identity" (who remembers that shit from 3 years ago).

Literally emailed from the email associated with the account, called, logged in, etc. they won't delete it until I send my credit card info in the clear, over insecure email.

FUCK NORDVPN

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you are in the EU I think you are legally allowed to request they delete all your data. Might be worth it.

[–] RagingRobot 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

They can use nordvpn to change their location to the EU then send the email

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you talking about those security questions? So dumb. After having days-long trouble getting my internet fixed because of them, I started treating those as additional passwords, generate the answers with my password manager, and save them in the notes section of the entry.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

Contact your bank or credit card company and explain, they will take care of it. Source: I was in a similar situation a few years ago, just not VPN related.

[–] MashedTech 22 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Try to log in from Europe, or change the details of your account to day Europe. Because with gdpr in Europe they are obligated to let you delete it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

there's something incredibly satisfyingly ironic about using a vpn to cancel your vpn

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[–] thbb 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What prevents you from revoking your payment mandate at your bank?

In Europe at least, your bank must honor this request and there's nothing your debtor can do about except spending 1000's to recover at most 3 months of payments with the current legal apparatus in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

It's not that they're trying to stop payments but to delete the account entirely. Stopping was easy when I did it but I haven't tried deleting my account.

I agree with them though fuck nordvpn.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Literally illegal

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fuck them. Next force gyms and newspapers to allow you to cancel with one click.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Or just force all subscriptions to allow you to cancel with one click

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Subscriptions with a dead man's switch. If you don't signal you want to keep the subscription after a few years, it's automatically cancelled. You can sign up at the same price you left with if it cancels automatically.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m so lucky, my gym membership auto cancels if I don’t pay in advance.

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[–] AlternatePersonMan 83 points 9 months ago (3 children)

By law, anything should be a one click to cancel service, instead of the maze they send you through.

Xbox live, gyms, etc.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or, it should be exactly as difficult/complicated to cancel as to sign in. Want a 15-step cancellation process involving phones, faxes and a blood offering? Gotta require all that to sign up too!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think a "let the world burn" approach to consumer agreements, like EULAs and cable TV contracts, would be interesting.

Require users to fully read every word of the contract out loud, on video, 4 times for everything they agree to.

"But it would take too long if consumers had to read our 23 page contract, they'd just give up and not sign up at all!!1"

Hmm, let's think about that...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (7 children)

German consumer protection FTW

The Fair Consumer Contracts Act will in future introduce a mandatory 2-step termination process […]. Wherever the consumer can conclude a subscription contract against payment, the provider should also give the consumer the opportunity to terminate at the same point. […A] cancellation button should be included on such registration pages for memberships at the first stage (with the wording “Cancel contracts here”). This “first” cancellation button should then lead to a confirmation page on the second level, where the respective user is identified and the consumer can effectively send the cancellation (i.e. with the wording “Cancel now”).

The law (German): https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/__312k.html

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We Shouldn’t Have to Let Users enroll Service With a Click. Customers may “misunderstand the consequences of enrolling,”

Sounds ridiculous? Because it is. Clicking the cancel or enroll button is pretty much what you expect... This is utter nonsense, obviously.

[–] eager_eagle 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, signing up for a service sounds way more risky than cancelling. I think singing up should be 2x more bureaucratic than cancelling it.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

God, hearing them squirm is almost making me horny. Please keep them groveling at the feet of the FTC. I reallllly wouldn't mind hearing this for a few years at least.

...Funny how whenever Republicans are in power, we get dickheads like Ajit Pai do absolutely nothing, arging that his hands are tied. But when democrats get voted in, the FTC starts drafting rules like being able to cancel a bill with a single click instead of fighting on the phone for 3½ hours with a bullshit sales rep until you have to threaten to sue them in order to cancel your internet or cable package. It's really funny how that works.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

Ajit Pai do absolutely nothing

*cancel net neutrality

[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The one thing where I agree with cable companies about is the risk to consumers accidentally canceling all or multiple services when they intend to just cancel one. It will be hard to explain that a package price will no longer apply if one part of the package is canceled.

However- it can be addressed with a well-designed cancelation instruction screen. This is a constraint to the communication and process design; it is not an insurmountable barrier like the cable companies are suggesting.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (3 children)

As a software developer who only has business customers, let me tell you the following:
No matter how foolproof your system might seem. It never truly is. There is always some idiot (sometimes with a degree) who just can't understand/use it.

But they could still try and mostly succeed. They just don't want to.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

“When you make something idiot proof, the world builds a better idiot.” Lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You can't make a perfect UI, because people think differently. What is obvious and logical to one person, is obscure and nonsensical to another. It is impossible to make a one-size-fits-all interface to anything, not just software.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The system doesn't have to be perfect, just good enough to prevent most customers from accidentally cancelling more than they mean to. Anyone who fucks up can be handled by the customer service department.

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[–] Sterile_Technique 56 points 9 months ago (10 children)

When I was younger I remember buying credit cards with a set balance on them to pay for subscriptions that seemed shady.

If cancelling was anything except convenient, I'd just use up the balance on my next trip to the grocery store, then shred the fucker and forget about it. Company XYZ could then have fun trying to bleed a rock.

Only downside is that was a pain in the ass too, but at least kept the control in my hands.

Wondering if any banks have a way to set this up as a kind of partition on your account? Never looked into that approach but it seems like such an obvious solution.

Anyone got tips for this kind of thing?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Privacy.com is literally the digital equivalent of what you were talking about. As for bank services, I don't know that I have heard of any personally.

[–] TonyOstrich 11 points 9 months ago

Capital One has that capability built in. I have dedicated credit card numbers for just about every service I use.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

Check out the site called Privacy cards. It's pretty much exactly this but all with virtual cards.

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[–] Inucune 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Log in

Modify/Cancel services:

Do you wish to add, remove, or view your current services?

[Remove]

Here is a list of your current services. Check the box for each service you want to remove

[List, with a select all button, and a clear button]

[Remove selected]

You are about to remove the following services. Please confirm

[List, confirm button, take me back button]

A confirmation email of these changes has been sent to your email on file. Please allow 48 hours for changes to apply.

[–] Wogi 21 points 9 months ago

Cable companies: how can we make that impossible?

[–] AdamEatsAss 36 points 9 months ago (5 children)

What consequences don't I understand? Like not having cable?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (5 children)

To play devils advocate, my guess might be that consumers will have to schedule to return hardware or something. But honestly, it’s just so they can bully people when they try to cancel.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

Subscription-based services already change the agreement of a transaction too much in favor of the provider, because it goes from "convince me that your product is good enough to go through the hassle of obtaining it" to "convince me that your product is bad enough to go through the hassle of cancelling it". It is only fair to try to tilt it in favor of the consumer as much as possible.

[–] nutsack 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

there should be a button on the remote control dedicated to ending your service

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Yes you fucking should

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