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Because "procedural," the word we've been using for this for years, doesn't fleece millions of venture funds from dumb hypeinvestors
I get your point but I don't quite think that the dream is that they can have the AI make changes to the world to create an immersive experience which is generated from first principles, and responds realistically to what you're doing.
I think the dream is that they can finally get rid of all those artists, level designers, playtesters, and so on, who have been hoovering up salaries that could be getting spent on blowjobs for the executives or something else that's really productive, and replace it all with a box that has one button that says "make game now."
Procedural is still based off of seeds and can be recreated on any machine with the same seed.
I think the point would be to have truly random generated maps.
You don't want truly random, whatever that means to you. 99.9999'% of what randomness produces would be unplayable noise. Nowhere near anything a human would consider fun, engaging, or even interesting at all. The gaming marketing world went already through this discussion. Random generation without human intervention does not create fun games.
Best genAI could do is a wave collapse algorithm where words could control some parameters, but is a dumb idea.
Good thing this isn’t generative Ai then.
Well arguably that’s the point of having the AI, it establishes what’s good and what’s not while still being random.
It’s the human element dude.
AI is not human. And don't call me dude.
And neither is procedural generation, so what’s your point then? They’re trying to make something truly random, no need to shit on it just because you’re biased against AI in general or don’t understand the point.
I bet you rely on spellcheck and auto correct don’t you…? That’s not humans either, yet it’s acceptable. Hypocrite.
AI still uses random seeds like other procedural algorithms.
They could generate random seeds as it’s being generated making it truly random.
With AI the same input will not always return the same result, unless asking for a black and white answer that is.
Surely the random seed should be considered a necessary part of the input, no?
If you want repeatable results, the point would for it to not be repeatable, every thing would be unique.
What would be the point of making a game if someone could just repeat it with reverse engineering some seeds?
People love swapping Minecraft seeds because it allows them to share unique experiences. Like if something really cool generated, other people will want to see that thing happen!
To deny players this would be a huge error - seed hunting is a non-trivial community engagement factor.
Okay, and this is attempting to do something different, being truly random.
Both can exist, no?
Lots of games that use procedural generation don’t have public seeds or a way to input them sometimes, so there’s plenty of precedence that people want the opposite too.