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Guys, American here.
Hit Tesla, Meta, Amazon, hard as fuck. He raised tariffs 25%? Raise theirs 70%. Nail us with 25% on oil and electricity or shit, just shut it the fuck off.
Nip this fuck face in the bud now or he will just keep keep going.
The best suggestion I've seen, personally, is just to stop respecting American copyright law's bullshit.
Yarrrrrrr. I couldn't agree more
Cory Doctorow thought that through: https://pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/#its-the-only-war-the-yankees-lost-except-for-vietnam-and-also-the-alamo-and-the-bay-of-ham
Anything to hit the billionaire class and his supporters hard, I'm 100% on board.
I wish I could upvote this 1000x
Too late for that!
Isn't Canada in an agreement with the US that trades "no tariffs" for "no infringing on copyright"?
If the US is imposing tariffs, Canada should now be free to copy any American product.
Or was I lied to?
This also means Canada should be free of its water transit treaties. Let's divert water from flowing south over the border.
Kick Nestle completely out of the country, too -- no more cheap access to our water.
Start right now on new local beef processing faciliities.
Nestle is European, but I'll always support a witch hunt for those greedy psychopathic fuckers
Thanks for the clarification on Nestle!
But yeah... agreed, f them it would be wonderful it they got caught in the splash damage.
Don't touch the water treaties. A fair bit of water comes north too and we don't want them treating waterways as a dumping ground that just leaves their country.
They already are dumping grounds ... specifically the Red River that feeds Lake Winnipeg. The phosphorous from American farm runoff creates massive, poisonous blue-green algae blooms every year in the lake, affecting fish stock and animals.
Perhaps. But as I understand it we have the most water of any nation in the world, so we should be more discriminating in what we let leave the border. Even if it's just a bargaining chip during this tariff war.
The US hasn't technically torn up any treaties, so we don't have to either, let's just "suspend" them. Seems they have no qualms doing so ...
As a michigander, I'm going to support "don't fuck with the water". I'm really fucking sorry this fuckwit is in charge, but we share the great lakes. Those suckers hold 21% of earths surface fresh- water and we don't want to give them an excuse to start throwing toxic waste in there especially out of spite.
Agreed. Fight fire with fire. The only way to get the people to react is to make them uncomfortable. We tried reasoning, that failed. Let the leopards loose.
More in this case, bullies and fascists only respond to force, that is all. There is no decorum, no societal norm, no mutually agreeable term that can be arrived at. Punch them in the face and keep doing it until the consequences are greater than the benefits of acting as such.
Power, through force is the ONLY thing they respect and understand.
copyright
just make content ludicrously expensive and force people to pirate it, then don’t follow up on people doing so
that’ll make some very powerful interest groups that basically only exist in the US absolutely frothy with rage
Dude America is the biggest exporter of culture in the world.
The biggest Canadian cultural influences made their mark in American media. Jim Carey. Ryan Gosling. Ryan Reynolds. Robin Williams. Raffi. Tommy Chong. The Rock. Seth Rogan. Will Arnett. William Shatner. Eugene Levy. Mike Myers. Rick Morannis.
To name a few.
(Also are there any famous Canadian Actresses?)
yeah: that’s what i’m saying… america is basically the place that the entire anglosphere and plenty beyond that get like 99% of our modern entertainment
it’s a huge industry that basically only the US has… so quit cooperating with copyright stuff… the world has bent over and taken copyright law from the US for far too long: their definition fucking blows, and is counter to the common good
so fuck em - tariff the shit out of it, and people will just pirate it… we learned in australia that if you don’t release content, or make it hard to access people don’t just not consume it… australia is one of the biggest pirates in the world because in the early internet days with region locking nothing was available here… we still watched it; we just didn’t pay for it
to this day (IANAL) piracy in australia is LEGAL: its legal to download, but not to share pirated content - torrents are out, but usenet is 100% fine
once the entertainment industry realizes that oh fuck their position globally is in jeopardy (if canada were to do this, it shows the rest of the world a next step) then they’ll be pretty pissed
That just makes their "culture" industry all the more a viable target. I'm sure everyone you've listed will be fine.
Even Raffi?
As a Franco Canadian it's always funny to see Anglo Canadians realize that their culture is the US culture + The Tragically Hip while we punch above our weight in that domain.
There's a bit of a problem here though.
Say we put tariffs on services from Amazon for example. What should they apply to? Amazon the online store and Prime Video? Or should we also apply them on cloud services? Because a LOT of Canadian companies are using their cloud services.
Even if they switched to Google, wouldn't we want to tariff them as well for supporting Trump also? Or even Microsoft? They all spent a million $ for his inauguration. And I'd bet they would bend to his demands if push comes to shove.
We always knew that we depended too much on these companies and it's never been so obvious than now. When we're suddenly at the mercy of a psychopath fascists dictator president at the controls of our biggest economic partner.
I don't know how you could tariff Meta, but I'd love if it was crippled so the essential groups I'm in would move somewhere else. I only ever get served posts from 1 or 2 of my real acquaintances as needles in a haystack of irrelevant trash.
"You need to pay local taxes on any profit made off Canadians, it's your responsibility to report your numbers and prove that they're true, if you can't we're blocking your platforms."
Oops. Sorry, Meta. We just passed a law that you now have to pay a 300% monthly tax to operate in our country and every 3rd Tuesday of the month, Zuck has to publicly address the nation that he "Is a ginormous doo-doo head who likes to smell farts and sucks at hockey." Again. So sorry, buddy. -Canada.
The good solution is rather to invest in diversity of sources. For the oil side, the solution is to invest in renewables and electrification as to not depend on oligarchs anymore, just like China is massively doing by the way.
Nuclear. Canada has an amazing(currently growing) nuclear industry. We need to foster that even more.
Both ideally, considering the high complexity of nuclear, we can't solely bet on it.
I'm planning on buying canadien goods when I'm driving through half of the country this summer. I need a decent winter coat, so I'll pick up a Canada goose.
Kanuk coats are made in Montreal, Avalanche is another option made in Quebec as well.
I'll check those out. Is there a Canadian store like Dick's that sells all 3 brands?
Don't believe so, Canada Goose doesn't like the competition
I think Canada goose coats are made in Burlington now.
Their website says their core goose down products are all made in Canada.
This is incredibly stupid as an economic counter plan for a nation whose number one import and export (>50% respectively) is the US. Compare that to the US's highly diversified trade portfolio. Trump would clap back with a 100% general tariff on Canada.
American trade can survive without Canada. But Canadian trade can't survive without America.
The bulk of Canadian exports to the US are oil. We can certainly tariff US goods, but export tariffs on Canadian oil and hydro electricity to the US will probably be a big component of the Canadian response.
Even with a big increase on hydro power exports to the US, it's still cheaper than most other sources of electricity, so they'll still happily pay it.
As to oil, there are some refineries in the US that are set up to process Canadian bitumen. Canada's long history of just exporting raw materials and re-importing finished goods give a pretty outsized room to manuever here. This refineries will probably just pony up and pay more.
Where the damage will come is in areas like the auto sector, where there are tightly coupled supply chains.
Paul Krugman points out in his article The End of North America that there is probably already damage done to the concept of North American manufacturing.
Trump is going to do a whole lot of damage, we're going to take some of that damage, but my favourite quote on the topic:
Canada and Mexico account for about a third of US exports. US businesses may be able to survive without them, but they sure won't make the shareholders happy.
And we all know that not making the shareholders happy makes America very very sad.
Only in an American hospital will you hear that we need to discharge patient's faster and do everything we can to keep them from coming back because "we have a duty to our shareholders"
You have no idea what you’re talking about.