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[–] wizblizz 67 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I'm seeing a lot of AI apologists in here. I want the leisure time required to create art, instead of being fucking burned out from working multiple jobs and spending all my available free time doing chores. Fuck AI, fuck the uncompensated artists and illegitimate theft of those works used to train the AI, and fuck you for normalizing it.

[–] PlushySD 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Let me make it clear first. Generative AI is not art. Prompt engineering is not a real job.

AI is just a tool. It is still waiting for an artist to use it to create art, just as a Photography or Photoshop image is not an art by itself.

But... training with images is the same as humans learning how to draw, though..... I know it's boring but what you said is boring too. We could fall back to the same conversation over and over because you start with the same conversation again and again.

FUCK AI, and also FUCK PEOPLE AGAINST AI, Good thing I hate everyone!

[–] Fungah 2 points 6 months ago

I mostly agree with this. I'm coming to think that in the future defining the word "art" for the context of a discussion would avoid a lot of the back and forth I'm seeing here and help these discussions be more productive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

FUCK AI, and also FUCK PEOPLE AGAINST AI, Good thing I hate everyone!

That sounds more like self-loathing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Prompt engineer" is on a lower level than "tarot fortune teller" for me. As a fortune teller, you are required to have people skills, as a prompt engineer, you just have to be an opportunistic dork.

[–] VerbFlow 2 points 6 months ago

A prompt engineer is nowhere near a tarot card user. Tarot cards do not contribute to a gigantic machine that eats job opportunities and spits out misinfo.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You cannot be an apologist unless there is a credible accusation to defend against.

Disagreeing with people that cannot coherently decide why they are upset is a good thing.

As for your comment, I agree that using art to train AI and then selling the result is a problem. Our legal framework needs to catch up on that. Personally, I do not see why it would not be copyright violation. That is clearly what it would be if a human did the exact same thing. A tool directed by a human does not seem so different from that. In my reading of copyright law, this misuse of AI may already be illegal.

We just need a few court cases to sort that out.

“I want the leisure time required to create art, instead of being fucking burned out from working multiple jobs and spending all my available free time doing chores.”

So, fair enough. Does this have anything whatsoever to do with AI? It really waters down your other point ( addressed above ).

If you are trying to agree with the OP concerning “laundry and dishes”, please think about your position. Those are two of the best examples for how technology has reduced time spent and effort expended on menial chores. I struggle to think of better ones. They also seem like prime candidates to be improved by adding AI to our existing mechanical devices.

What could the actual complaint be here? At worst, you can assume that AI will not help you with laundry and dishes. Any less extreme position will be that it probably will. The same can be said for any other menial task I can think of in my day-to-day life.

Sorry to be a rationality apologist but I am not going to line-up against totally misdirected outrage. Being mad does not make you right.

[–] Fungah 0 points 6 months ago
[–] gmtom 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

AI apologists

Im not an "AI apologist" because theres nothing to apologise for.

Much like im not an "automatic loom apologist" or a "steam engine apologist"

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Apologist comes from the greek word "apologia", which means "speech in defense." Apologetics isn't apologizing, it's defending.

[–] gmtom 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Another way to learn is to look up words you don't know instead of a) guessing, and then b) reacting based on guesswork.

[–] gmtom 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah let me just sit down and look up the etymology of literally every single fucking Englush word 🤓🤓🤓

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who said anything about etymology? Your problem was not knowing the current definition.

[–] gmtom 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who said anything about etymology?

Literally the guy I first replied to?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He explained the etymology as background information before pointing out what "apologists" means. He was correcting your misunderstanding of a word (the one you didn't bother to look up and instead chose to react based on not knowing the word) and explaining why the false cognate existed. The main point wasn't the linguistic history lesson. It was that "apologists" doesn't mean "people apologizing".

Just suck it up and learn, buttercup. You were wrong and are now doing a really bad rearguard action.

[–] gmtom 1 points 5 months ago

Okay, so instead of looking up the etymology of every single word you just want me to look up the definition of every single word? Oh yeah mate, thats completely reasonable actually 🤡🤡

Just suck it up and learn, buttercup. You were wrong and are now doing a really bad rearguard action.

God I feel bad for whoever knows you in real life, if you're this insufferably smug over a stranger getting the definition of a word wrong, I cant imagine how much you have your head up your own arse in person.