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[–] NotBillMurray 129 points 11 months ago (24 children)

This it the bottom so far you mean.

[–] dojan 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Next bottom is whether the infants are conspirators or not.

[–] spamfajitas 84 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Even better, infant body armor

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How did you get hold of Hamas training materiel?

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[–] TokenBoomer 87 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Judging from the comments, we can go lower.

[–] seaQueue 24 points 11 months ago

"Truly this is the bottom"

Conservatives everywhere brandishing shovels: "Challenge accepted"

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[–] rsuri 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (52 children)

It's like everyone's opinion is "my tribe is always right and deserves all the sympathy, the other tribe is always wrong and deserves all the suffering". No one cares about solutions or examining why a conflict has persisted for 80 years. Humans are so predictable.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's not even "my tribe".

Hardly anyone posting here is Israeli or Palestinian. It's just distracting nonsense to divide us. Pick a side plebs. Look, those people have picked the other side. Hate them!

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[–] an_onanist 55 points 11 months ago (4 children)

And if it turns out that the accusation Hamas was using the basement as a command post is true, is that the new bottom?

[–] not_that_guy05 140 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Using the hospital for anything other than helping people is a bottom. They are both trash entities.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (10 children)

And fun fact: bombing/attacking a hospital is not a war crime per the Geneva Conventions Article 52, if it is being used as a military objective.

[–] Makfreeman 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Might be a fun fact but it is not correct. Article 52 of the fourth convention is not related to hospitals. Article 52 of the 1st additional protocol is related to hospitals and it does not mean what you are saying it does. Geneva conventions do not define war crimes, that definition is given in the ICC Rome statutes.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Fair enough. The ICC Rome Statute specifically refers to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949. But per the ICC Rome statute on war crimes, Article 8, Section 2, Subsection (b), Clause (ix), the following is a war crime: "Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected,provided they are not military objectives;"

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I mean, that makes a certain degree of sense, because if using protected places as a place to put one's military operations doesn't remove that protection, then it would become a common strategy to intentionally use vulnerable civilians as shields in that manner, and since no military is realistically going to just let their opponent attack them without a response when capable of delivering one, such a scenario would just lead to the whole idea of places like hospitals being protected being abandoned.

[–] count_dongulus 19 points 11 months ago

That's exactly what Hamas does. No better than Al-Qaida.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean what's worse: using a human shield, or deciding "nah fuck them kids shoot through them anyway."

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (43 children)

What if they were shooting your kids while hiding behind their own? Would you let them keep doing it while insisting that reprisals are off limits?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Yeah, this is the problem I'm having with people picking sides. It's a giant crap-pile of the worst of humanity. People act like there's a good side. Nah, everything's a mess of generational hatred and I hate it all.

There needs to be a cease-fire. Hamas needs to release all hostages and then be permanently removed from power in Gaza, and Israel needs to help the Palestinians rebuild what has been destroyed, burry their dead with dignity and respect, and heavily compensate the families of those who have died.

The whole thing is out of control

[–] stewsters 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

There was a ceasefire, then Hamas attacked. Hard to rebuild trust after that.

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[–] TheDoctorDonna 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Still not a good reason to kill babies...

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[–] foggianism 50 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Demanding an evacuation of a hospital full of patients, under the threat of bombardment, only for those patients to die of complications for not being treated, this is just a more silent mass murder.

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[–] spirinolas 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

To people saying it's justified because Hamas are hiding there, if Hamas wants to kill as many Israelis as possible they could hide in a Israeli hospital and the IDF, being consistent, would bomb it just the same since it now became a military target. Right?

Yeah, you know they wouldn't, not the same way at least. Somehow Palestinians are an acceptable collateral while Israeli, specially Jews, would never be. That's how you know this isn't about Hamas.

[–] OccamsTeapot 15 points 11 months ago

Very good point! I will steal it and pretend I'm as smart as you

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[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E 46 points 11 months ago (41 children)

That's because apparently someone decided, without discussion, that setting military headquarters in a hospital - where babies are born - is absolutely fine and moral move.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Killing a building full of women and children to go after a group of people who may or may not be in said building after they killed women and children...

Two unscrupulous groups are willing to murder innocent civilians. Sounds like two groups of terrorists.

Fuck Hammas, fuck the IDF. I'm absolutely fine with them killing each other. I'm not okay with the fact that they're both using innocent civilians as pawns.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (11 children)

He said, believing the IOF, who has killed Palestinians with absolute impunity, and lying through the teeth about it

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[–] neeshie 25 points 11 months ago (21 children)

Has there even been any evidence of that?

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[–] Restaldt 43 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] AnyProgressIsGood 22 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Do people think Hamas wouldn't hide in a hospital? Theyve proved many times civilians aren't a concern

[–] [email protected] 80 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Do people think that there can't be two bad guys in a story? This isn't a good vs evil fight.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago

"Good guys" are a myth invented by Hollywood to sell action figures

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[–] EatYouWell 34 points 11 months ago (15 children)

So, that justifies killing civilians?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (8 children)

no, that justifies invading a hospital

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I think Hamas is hiding inside your house. What, do people think Hamas wouldn't hide inside your house?

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