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[–] IonAddis 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We might need to define "unhealthy" here. Mine is going to be different from other people's.

Regarding food, I believe the pop definition of "unhealthy" is wrong. As far as I can tell, after having worked in the food industry on the regulatory side, and after having tried to understand nutrition from a truly scientific standpoint, the biggest goof people make is portion size, and, less commonly, having too "small" a pool of foods they'll eat so certain vitamins/minerals are lacking. The rest of it with added sugars or fat or this or that ingredient being "bad" is smoke and mirrors. Portion size is really, really, really fucking important.

You can be healthy eating just about anything (even McDonald's) as long as the portions are appropriate for your size and amount of exercise, and so long as your diet is varied enough overall to bring in enough vitamins and minerals. So, eating 3 super-sized meals at McDonald's might screw you up because the calories are too much for your level of activity, but if you scale it back to 1 a day and keep the meal size "small", or even eat a happy meal as an adult, you'll be ok.

Regarding vitamins and minerals...in the modern day, people tend to be deficient in vitamin D because they don't get enough sun, so that sometimes needs to be supplemented. And individuals will sometimes be deficient in iron or vitamin C. I supplement with C because I tend not to eat many foods with it, and D because I'm a vampire-like nerd that stays away from the sun.

Anyway. To get back to the question, I basically eat what I want, without regard for whether pop culture thinks it's bad or not, but I pay attention to portion size and I do not snack. I've sometimes fallen into keto behaviors or one-meal-a-day but I don't follow either with any dedication, my natural patterns just fall close to those.

Do I sometimes buy and eat things that are unhealthy for me? Well, by MY standards...not really. I understand nutrition, and I understand portion sizes, and it's not all that hard for me to eat appropriately for my size without worrying about whatever the latest health food fads are blabbing on about. And because I understand what I'm doing, and I have control of it, I don't feel guilt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Man I was going to agree with you until you brought up that you can be healthy eating McDonalds as long as you can control the portions. Eating hyper processed food WILL lead to worse health outcomes, just filter out industry sponsored studies and look at the results.

[–] MrJameGumb 7 points 1 year ago

I occasionally will get fast food. I gave it up for the most part like 2 years ago, but I still get it like once every 3 months or so. It's usually because I'm stressed out or depressed. It never tastes as good as I think it will, and I always feel kind of sick afterwards.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nutella breakfast. I just love it so much. Also a lot of sitting because of PC gaming.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Upvoted this comment while eating Nutella for breakfast lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I never buy food that is unhealthy for me... but part of how I measure health is mental health. Something that's modestly unhealthy for my body but enjoyable (like sweetened chocolate) is, on the balance, healthy for me as long as it's in moderation.

[–] ChexMax 3 points 1 year ago

Yup. Healthy is such a funny term. Kings Hawaiian rolls certainly aren't a super nutritional food, but the dopamine hit I got from enjoying 3 last night brought me back after managing my partner's mental breakdown, and also helped me fall immediately to sleep. Which is less healthy for me: chronic poor sleep and stress or 3 sweet delicious pieces of bread?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh yeah. Most of the time it's just because I'm buying something I don't actually need and I feel like I've given into consumerism.

Buying vaping stuff was a big money pit especially around the quarantine

[–] TootSweet 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've kindof been on a journey of doing less and less stuff that is bad for me since I was about 20.

The only recreational drug I do is chamomile. No alcohol. Not even caffeine. No fast food. Nothing with added sugar. Very rarely anything with any significant mount of natural sugar. My rule of thumb is nothing sweeter than a tomato or red bell pepper.

(Full disclosure, sugar gives me really bad acute symptoms. So that helps the motivation.)

I maintain a weight not terribly far from my ideal weight most of the time. It's getting close to the holiday season now (Thanksgiving is basically Halmark brand hedonism in the U.S.) and I'm loosening my restrictions a little bit and indulging in things that are a little more caloric. I bought some almond butter the other day. That's very caloric to the point that I don't usually eat it, but I'll go slow on it and cut it back out around January 2nd.

Lest you think I'm some kind of saint, I'm a lot better at not doing things that are bad for me than at doing things that are good for me. I don't maintain a regular fitness routine, for instance, which is very far from optimal.

Edit: Oh. One amendment. About twice a year, I'll do grocery store sushi. (Usually a rainbow roll.) And I think it's fair to say those have some added sugar. And when I eat at restaurants, I mostly avoid places that don't have things on my diet and then always get the thing on the menu that's most in line with my diet, but I'm usually not strict about checking the ingredients for things like added sugar. Whatever the case, none of the things mentioned in this amendment ever cause me any noticeable guilt.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 1 points 1 year ago

Ah! You had to mention those delicious grocery store sushi rolls. Those are one of my weaknesses too. And I do them more than twice a year! Okay I just went out and got one haha

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No alcohol. Not even caffeine. No fast food. Nothing with added sugar. Very rarely anything with any significant mount of natural sugar. My rule of thumb is nothing sweeter than a tomato or red bell pepper.

(Full disclosure, sugar gives me really bad acute symptoms. So that helps the motivation.)

SAME! It's taken me decades to finally stop craving sugar but the last 10 years definitely I noticed every time I ate sugar,

within 30 minutes I'd get symptoms like a cold with a runny nose and severe aches and pains in all my joints and muscles, and severe depression and brain fog. I'm serious these symptoms set in within 30 minutes of eating this stuff, because I was feeling perfectly fine before I ate it. The correlation was undeniable. It's the sugar.

The last time it happened to me I simply ate a bowl of fruit.

Same all around with anything bread products. So I can't eat sugar, bread, not even eat fruit anymore!

[–] TootSweet 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weirdly, the symptoms I get from sugar consumption are incredibly painful abdominal cramps and lower-GI issues. And the last things I've eaten to trigger those were granny smith apples and bing cherries.

Regarding grains (including wheat), I gave those up when I was about 20, about the same time I quit sugar. All my symptoms went away when I quit both of those and honestly I've never tried enough wheat/grains since to see if it even bothers me. But then again, I don't really feel like reintroducing wheat would enrich my life to speak of, so I haven't ever really felt motivated to even test if grains give me symptoms. I just don't eat it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Instructions unclear: buying more beer! There’s years of jeers and cheers and no need for fears or leers or what have you

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your rhyming words πŸ˜† I shit you not, I was literally just watching a Dr Seuss documentary before I came back here & read your comment πŸ˜†

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

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[–] Vcio 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Candy! I'm an adult male in my 30+ and i always try to have some lollipops or candy in my desk even had go to dentist after some months of abuse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I keep lengthy shopping lists and that lets me keep a handle on what I buy and therefore what I eat. So I've cut right down on UPF, added sugar and snacks. That does make it a bit tricky for guests as I now just buy what I eat. When my uncle stayed last Christmas I said, if he wanted anything other than porridge for breakfast, he'd have to bring it. Lo and behold on Boxing Day, "what's for breakfast?" "Surely you have some bread..." "No biscuits to go with my tea?". 🀷

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Behaving in a way that is ethical and preserves good health is completely alienating in our sick and cruel society.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also plan to help reduce food waste and recycle packaging. So I usually know roughly what I'm going to eat in the next week or two and buy what I need accordingly. I also make sure I have plenty of frozen fruit and veg, as well as tins of pulse and tomatoes. Plus plenty of herbs and spices. It's really helped cut down on what gets thrown away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Canned pulses are convenient but you can't beat dry for price and quality! Obviously much less packaging and other waste, also

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I make occasional efforts to be healthy and proceed congratulate myself about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It really depends how unhealthy that thing is. I won't start smoking, or snort lead paint... But I do have a tendency to buy unhealthy foods on occasion, just not too often.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I vape, so, yeah. It stopped me from smoking, and I'm spending less per month on juice and cartridges than I did on smokes. I don't smell like an ashtray from 8:00 to 20:00 either. But it's still something I kinda sorta would like not to spend money on.

I took it up after I developed GAD, and despite doing the rounds on meds and picking up healthy habits, I still can't shake GAD. Probably won't be able to kick my habit until that's over and done with

Don't really mind the adverse health effects. The city I live in is probably doing numbers on my lungs just with car smoke alone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I just try to remind myself that I don't have money to spend on the unhealthy stuff. Doesn't work all the time

[–] troglodytis 3 points 1 year ago

I do not live a healthy life. I feel zero guilt about that, but am able to recognize it's not the best for me.

I'm a fan of a good bad plan, and also a glutton in most things I enjoy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sometimes I buy junk food and I feel a little guilty about it. Any time I have junk food like chips(cause I don't like sweets) I portion it out, but it still makes me think about it.

I do drink alcohol and I do feel bad cause it's also junk, but with my job it helps me relax after a shit day.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I eat more fast food than I should (at least once a week), and I do feel guilty. But I enjoy every second of it, and my diet is otherwise very balanced.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weed, smoking it definitely ain't good for me but man do I sleep good

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If I'm close to a panic attack there is nothing like weed to bring me back to earth. Everything in moderation (which is something I often ignore, specifically with weed).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It depends on my mood. If I'm having a really good day and I get ice cream to celebrate, I feel like it's ok to enjoy it in moderation. If I'm having a really bad day and I get ice cream to console myself, I feel like I'm a weak-willed fool.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suppose buying the privilege to enter a restaurant to eat at my heart's content (or expense rather) kind of counts. I used to have a system with myself that for every other week, I'd go to a restaurant, particularly a buffet as a small reward for enduring an otherwise shit work week or however it goes. But lately, I've been turning it into a weekly thing and that weekly visit is not only piling on the expenses even for a cheap ass chinese restaurant when compared to other restaurants out there. But it's also piling on the pounds, too.

And I always debate with myself every week on whether or not I'm going to go and I always tell myself that it's a good excuse to not eat around what I have at home, to keep around longer.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Indulgences feel like something we deserve sometimes until we realize there are consequences. Life is a tightrope walk, a delicate balance in so many things. It's kind of agonizing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If being alive wasn't unhealthy for you, you wouldn't die.

[–] eatthecake 2 points 1 year ago

Donuts are a mental health food. Why feel guilty?

[–] lady_maria 1 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, yes. My relationship with food in particular has always been kind of messy since I was a kid, especially when I'm going through an especially difficult time mental health-wise. But I try to be mindful of that, and eat healthily for the most part.

If I feel like I've overeaten that day/the past few days, I can definitely feel pretty guilty. But IMO, most things are fine in moderation. Food is a crucial and wonderful part of life, and I'm uninterested in completely cutting out something I genuinely enjoy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I drink a bottle of whiskey every weekend