It’s Biden vs trump, and there’s zero chance I’m voting for a waste-of-carbon republican traitor. Now or at any time in the future. I don’t like our stance on Israel/Palestine, but that is immaterial to the choice I must make.
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Im with you. Honestly im not sure there is a possible stance I would be happy with. Its like being happy with the strategy used in viet nam.
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It's especially hurting him with the demographic he's always struggled with:
Majorities of Democrats younger than 45 (65%) and nonwhite Democrats (58%) say they disapprove of Biden’s handling of the conflict. Most Democrats 45 and older (67%) and white Democrats (62%) say they approve.
"Knowing that our tax money could be paying for the weapons that are murdering children by the thousands over there, it’s getting harder to be supportive of our president and our country in general,” said Brie Williamson, a 34-year-old Illinois resident. Williamson said she “couldn’t see voting for a Republican” but would consider other options next year.
And being forced to pick between this and trump will depress turnout, and depressed turnout is how Republicans become presidents.
And I know Biden's supporters will say "he's still better than trump" and that's true. But it doesn't change the fact that this is a fucked up situation where voters do t have a say in this issue because the only two options for president both support this genocide.
no. running shit candidates is how they lose. no one is entitled to someones vote or support.
dnc wants to win? then look at what your base wants. their approach has always been “you take what we give you” and that resulted in donald fucking trump.
If a moderate dem wins, they win.
If a Republican wins, moderates get to be even more moderate and claim they have to, knowing whoever they run next time will probably win just because they're not a Republican.
The only way moderates lose, is if a progressive manages to win. Because then they lose the main reason lots of people vote Dem: anything is better than a Republican.
That's why they fight progressives harder than Republicans. Republicans aren't their enemy, they're the rationale that lets moderates in 2023 act like Republicans in 1980 and still win elections
We could have had Bernie, and sure, he'd be 83 in 2024 (Biden will be 81), but at least he had the idea to use Israel funding as leverage to get Netanyahu to calm the fuck down.
Instead, we get Biden, who does seem to have a good economic policy, but he was all too eager to jump to a known war-crime-committer's defense.
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Ah America. Where we have the great options of genocidal maniac or other genocidal maniac. You see, we're better, because we have the freedom to choose!
Ah America, you offer the same choice as France and the UK.
And we can't vote for anyone else, or the wrong lizard might win!
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It seemed to me (looking in from the outside) that he merely kept on doing what the US had always done.
Apparently it's the public opinion that has changed, while the diplomacy plodded on in it's usual well-travelled trail.
I mean, that's kind of the biggest complaint about Biden and the whole moderate wing...
They act like nothing ever changes and they don't have to react. There's a shit ton of urgent problems they just won't address because they don't give a shit.
They don't honestly have any goals or things to accomplish other than being elected.
So why are we still electing them? The only positive to electing a moderate Dem is a Republican doesn't win. It's why America has been steadily backsliding for decades, and if we keep electing them it'll keep happening.
Best case scenario, politicians like Biden are a "pause button" on America's collapse. And for the people who still have decades of life left, that's just not good enough for us.
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I have a very strong don't blow up kids policy, that doesn't care what religion or political party you subscribe to or even race. If you do blow up kids, we feel strongly that you should just fuck right off and we should do whatever we can to stop those killing kids.
"The terrorists are using schools as shields though!"
Guess you shouldn't use artillery strikes and bombing runs then.
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Child killers are on both sides though so who are you to speak?
The issue isn't holding a moral high ground or playing into ultimatums of mutually assured destruction since they're already there.
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Disagree, possibly. I will ALWAYS vote for Democrat over Republican. These issues aren’t black and white. Too many other important things to consider in an election.
I hope nearly everyone realizes that. I can't tell if the psyop bots have made their way here already, or if people are really this unbelievably idiotic, but either way, I can't write off Trump winning and doing far more nefarious bullshit than ever before. He will make Florida look like a leftie sanctuary.
I guess the mountain of bigotry, corruption, destabilizing geopolitical decision, dismantling of key government institutions, massive wealth transfer to the .1% during 2016-2020 along with the attempted coup, stacked courts, and Roe V Wade somehow wasn't enough to convince some people that allowing Trump to win will speed run us to Gilead.
I find it extremely difficult to believe anyone who lived through the Trump years who isn't an idiot or a bigot could ever allow that senile madman back in office. Which is why I have to wonder if there's some psyop shit going down. But if he does win, what little shred of hope I retain for this country will be gone and I will need to look into living elsewhere, somehow for the safety of my family.
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I said this a week ago and got downvoted to hell, but I'll say it again: this issue will fuck him next November
Its possible, but how smooth brained would someone have to be to vote for Trump over this?
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I love how the headline sounds so negative, and yet looking at the Numbers they could have easily just said "more Democrats approve of his handling of the crisis".
I mean, almost half the members of his own party disagree with him, not the nation as a whole. If this doesn’t go away, it is not good news.
The old adage come to mind that, “The left fall in love, and the right fall in line.” The right will more reliably vote for “their guy”, but I’ve seen so many losses on the left because of disenchantment.
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They need to follow up and ask what their opinion is of Trump and if supporting Israel is enough to convince them to not vote.
Disapproval on it's own, means nothing.
I disapprove of a lot of what Biden has done. Does that mean I'll vote Trump? Fuck no!
It's the difference between 40% disapproval vs. 120% disapproval.
Very few people switch between the two parties...
But around a third of Americans just don't vote.
And stuff like this makes people not vote. And when turnout is low, we end up with republicans in office.
Getting people to show up to vote is kind of the most important thing in an election...
For some reason when it's a moderate dem candidate, it's no longer their job to get votes. It's the voters job to be the adult and vote for someone they dont want who will do things they do t agree with, because the other option will do things they don't agree with
Do you honestly not understand how this is a terrible strategy and maybe, just maybe, wed be better off running good candidates that will try to help?
Not just about this, but with pretty much every major issues facing America today.
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Genuine question: other than the speech right after Oct 7 happened, what has Biden even done besides require Ukraine and Israel funding to be in the same bill? I keep seeing posts about Biden's response but I still don't know what it is :c
In my post history, I was leaning towards Israel in the beginning until I learned about the atrocities they committed/are committing. At this point, I'm firmly of the opinion that Palestine needs justice.
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So, a majority of Democrats approve of Biden's response? I see.
Nobody is a winner when it comes to holy wars, which is what this is all about. Everyone's a loser. I mean, what the hell can you do when one part of a country wants to annihilate another populace based on belief?
This is one part of why it is even possible for him to lose. States that managed to eek out an extra brain cell last time may not this time. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Georgia, New Mexico, and Arizona could be in play for anyone with a heart beat that is not Joe Biden.
There had better be a strong Democrat primary in 2024. If the party capitulates to Biden, the base is going to heave a depressed sigh and probably stay home. The loud people online who swear Americans are too afraid not to vote for him are a tiny vocal faction. 2016 should have proven that. Many more people would rather watch it burn than continue the farce that got us here.
Pro-Tip - Nobody serious will primary him.
The history of primarying a sitting President is that if you do the damage, you won't win, but the President will fail in the General.
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Biden is almost guaranteed to be the Democrat nominee. They aren't going to do a serious campaign against their own incumbent.
The 2024 election is going to be Biden vs Trump unless one of them dies or goes to jail.
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