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The poll found 50% of Democrats approve of how Biden has navigated the conflict while 46% disapprove — and the two groups diverge substantially in their views of U.S. support for Israel. Biden’s support on the issue among Democrats is down slightly from August, as an AP-NORC poll conducted then found that 57% of Democrats approved of his handling of the conflict and 40% disapproved.

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[–] givesomefucks 93 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's especially hurting him with the demographic he's always struggled with:

Majorities of Democrats younger than 45 (65%) and nonwhite Democrats (58%) say they disapprove of Biden’s handling of the conflict. Most Democrats 45 and older (67%) and white Democrats (62%) say they approve.

"Knowing that our tax money could be paying for the weapons that are murdering children by the thousands over there, it’s getting harder to be supportive of our president and our country in general,” said Brie Williamson, a 34-year-old Illinois resident. Williamson said she “couldn’t see voting for a Republican” but would consider other options next year.

And being forced to pick between this and trump will depress turnout, and depressed turnout is how Republicans become presidents.

And I know Biden's supporters will say "he's still better than trump" and that's true. But it doesn't change the fact that this is a fucked up situation where voters do t have a say in this issue because the only two options for president both support this genocide.

[–] fosiacat 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

no. running shit candidates is how they lose. no one is entitled to someones vote or support.

dnc wants to win? then look at what your base wants. their approach has always been “you take what we give you” and that resulted in donald fucking trump.

[–] givesomefucks 36 points 1 year ago

If a moderate dem wins, they win.

If a Republican wins, moderates get to be even more moderate and claim they have to, knowing whoever they run next time will probably win just because they're not a Republican.

The only way moderates lose, is if a progressive manages to win. Because then they lose the main reason lots of people vote Dem: anything is better than a Republican.

That's why they fight progressives harder than Republicans. Republicans aren't their enemy, they're the rationale that lets moderates in 2023 act like Republicans in 1980 and still win elections

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

We could have had Bernie, and sure, he'd be 83 in 2024 (Biden will be 81), but at least he had the idea to use Israel funding as leverage to get Netanyahu to calm the fuck down.

Instead, we get Biden, who does seem to have a good economic policy, but he was all too eager to jump to a known war-crime-committer's defense.

[–] Shave_MyBeever 1 points 1 year ago

I think the most "conservative" thing that has happened in the last couple of elections is the DNC's pick to lead the party.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah America. Where we have the great options of genocidal maniac or other genocidal maniac. You see, we're better, because we have the freedom to choose!

[–] FlowVoid 14 points 1 year ago

Ah America, you offer the same choice as France and the UK.

[–] Holyhandgrenade 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And we can't vote for anyone else, or the wrong lizard might win!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it doesn’t change the fact that this is a fucked up situation where voters do t have a say in this issue because the only two options for president both support this genocide.

Biden does not support genocide. Biden has definitely been blind to the fact that Israel is an apartheid state that has been intentionally inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinians since Oct 7th.

The Republicans under Trump will green light a complete genocide of the Palestinians. If you want the Palestinians to have a chance then vote Biden. The Democratic party can be reasoned with. The Republican party is controlled by fascists who will establish death camps in American prisons at home and actively support death camps abroad.

I want to see Hamas destroyed, but it's become clear to me that Israel's government is committing war crimes. And yes, so has Hamas, they're a terrorist organization. Israel is supposed to be a freedom loving democracy, that comes with standards.

Since Israel has proven to be unable to conduct this war properly, preserving the lives of civilians is the only important objective now. We need to make it clear to the Democratic party that we want a ceasefire for the sake of Palestinians and Israelis. Given enough pressure Biden can be persuaded to change his mind. The same cannot be said of Trump or the Republican party.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bro this ain't a Mad Max movie, no NGO is going to stop a war without questions of Wagner hitting the news headlines

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Bro this ain’t a Mad Max movie

What? I haven't seen these movies. Only clips Colbert uses. :|

no NGO is going to stop a war without questions of Wagner hitting the news headlines

It could easily take another ten months for the IDF to clear out Hamas from the tunnels under Gaza City. That is with taking into account a disregard for the safety of the hostages, which I'm sure the IDF is doing. If the death count continues at the current rate of ten thousand people a month, another one hundred thousand people will be dead. And if you take it from other people, this war could take years.

We should pressure the US government to demand a ceasefire no matter how unlikely Benjamin Netanyahu or Hamas is to listen. Too many lives are at stake to let this war to continue the way it is currently being waged.