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The vehicle is a key part of the justice’s just-folks persona. It’s also a luxury motor coach that was funded by someone else’s money.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is what corruption looks like. Thomas and Alito are unethical human garbage and don't deserve to be on the highest court.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

None of the federalist society "judges" deserve to be on the court, but here we are...

[–] JustZ 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can confirm, they are laughed at in law schools. They clique up. None of the actual smart kids like them. The smartest federalist society members are just smart enough to be dangerous. Mostly religious types. Not very diverse.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They basically believe that the law can only be understood in the original sense that it was written in, yes? Instead of the law being living it is dead.

[–] JustZ 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Very basically, yes.

This represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what a dictionary is, a snapshot of a language in time. The meaning of words change over time. "Nice" used to mean stupid in English.

They believe they can divine the intentions of the dead, that they hear the voices of dead people, and can know what they mean.

They also believe that from the writings of a collective, enacted in the form of statutes, they can discern a single, unified intention. This is of course completely ridiculous, but to hear them tell it, they figured out a way to interpret law "objectively," which is also of course ridiculous.

I'm sure they are nice people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm sure they are nice people

I am pleased with what you accomplished today

[–] afraid_of_zombies 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks. I know very little about this stuff. My understanding is that there is an order to understand the law. Canons of construction, right? So wouldn't that mean that the intent behind the law can only be invoked if the text as written is open to multiple understanding? If that is the case how can they invoke that if the text can never be ambiguous?

If the text must only be looked at exactly as written you can't claim it could be ambiguous. If you can't claim it is ambiguous then you can't worry about what they really meant to say. Guess I am lost. It seems like they are arguing for a method that if fully applied would mean the method can't be applied.

What mistake am I making? Also thanks again.

[–] JustZ 2 points 1 year ago

You're looking for logical consistency where there isn't any. It's all made up.

There is no one right or wrong way to interpret law. For every canon of statutory construction, there is an equal and opposite canon. My textbook called them thrusts and parries.

Conservatives believe in a plain meaning approach: follow the literal text no matter what because the cold hard text is the best evidence of the legislative intent. If the result is obviously absurd and offensive to justice, too bad, it's the legislature's job to fix the statute, not the court's. Conservatives hate they idea of any power to do affirmative justice resting with the courts, they want it in Congress where their rich benefactors and buy congresspersons.

The problem with that is that legislatures are messy and words are imprecise. The words represent individual understandings and compromises of single members and caucuses, not the whole body. Even when Conservatives say they are following the original text / plain meaning, they are still doing subjective interpretation, just without admitting it.

Purposivism is the idea that statutes should be interpreted and applied by courts with reference to the purpose of the law and common sense.

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[–] aidan 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] JustZ 2 points 1 year ago

What about him?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

It's one thing to disagree politically, it's another to take bribes and lie about it or cover it up.

[–] billbasher 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Multiple justices lying under oath somehow doesn’t disqualify them. Ridiculous

[–] JustZ 8 points 1 year ago

Lifetime appointment.

[–] SulaymanF 39 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Republicans see no problem with these massive gifts and Jared getting $2 Billion, but if Hunter Biden made a dollar they’re all over it.

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[–] Dick_Justice 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Geez. Making the Supreme Court is like winning the lottery.

[–] Gyrolemmy 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are literally less than 10 seats in the world. So yeah its literally 1 in a billion.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but you have to be highly qualified to get one of those seats, not just any Joe Schmo ... lol just kidding. Imagine having to be qualified to decide matters of life and death!

[–] elsoja 3 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Naw. The Lottery isn't rigged toward Catholics.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm seriously sick of hearing about this shitbag when no one is ever going to do a damn thing about it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

If it stays in the media, hopefully he will become a pariah. Roberts still holds on to this idea that his court should be seen as legitimate and respected, and Thomas is undermining that more than anyone.

Not that I'm holding my breath over it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Politicians are just used car salesmen with great healthcare

[–] Hoomod 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, he's a Supreme Court justice, not just a politician

[–] fulcrummed 14 points 1 year ago

I think in this case that’s a distinction without a difference.

[–] yesman 11 points 1 year ago

I once read that empires spreading their religion and culture through force was a not the most effective or common method. The way it usually worked was that once conquering foreigners became the elites in society, people in proximity to the elite would adopt the culture of their superiors, to fit in. Once a critical mass of elites and their subordinates adopting a foreign culture/religion was reached, it spread throughout society like a trend.

Anyway the point I'm trying to make is the power of proximity to the elite is enough to overrule a person's whole identity. Anybody who's close to a a social climber will recognize how this works.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because he's in The Big Club (NSFW).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There are confirmation hearings and supposed investigations before these judges were appointed. Whoever did the investigation failed and should be fired as well as their bosses.

[–] eran_morad 4 points 1 year ago

Clarence Thomas is a waste of carbon.

[–] Burn_The_Right 2 points 1 year ago

The "friend"? Referring to a criminal engaging in bribery of a Justice as his "friend" is journalistic malpractice.

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