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I feel that “outgroup dumb” is shitposting but it’s from a real poll.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/5057-understanding-how-marginal-taxes-work-its-all-part

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[–] MisterFrog 2 points 1 day ago

Hmmm, I better send a suggestion letter to the ATO (Australian Taxation Office) to put the tax bracket breakdown directly into your return with the amounts populated.

Hey, they give us a breakdown graph of where our tax is going, this seems like it's within the realm of possibility.

I think sadly there are also many people here who have no idea how tax brackets work...

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is absolutely an educational failing. We barely cover taxes in school. At best it's said once in a class, gets covered in a minor question on a test and if we get it wrong, no one notices. "We" probably still got a B on the test without any CLUE how taxes work.

Yet here we are, dismantling any nationwide effort to make education better.

A LOT of people think 99,999 tax is 27,999 and 100,001 is 29,000, even on the democrat side. If those charts are accurate, it's probably damn close to 50% of US citizens.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I seriously don't understand why we don't have a mandatory class that covers taxes, T4 slips, investing, labour laws, budgeting, reading nutritional information on foods, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The nutritional stuff is like 6th-grade science, about the time you should be burning peanuts with a Bunsen burner.

I've seen a few schools that have an elective financials class, but I think they're still trying to balance checkbooks.

The problem is it's just one class, and nobody takes classes seriously in high school. Most of them have forgotten the things that they used to know when they were 20, 30, or even 40 years past their education.

It's like we need some kind of driver's ed test but for living

edit: 6th grade, no fire in elementary school

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[–] bitjunkie 11 points 2 days ago

These people are allowed to vote, and that is why we are all fucked.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Where i live we have a system where if you take sick days, they are paid 80%. 20% reduction applies only to the days you were sick. Once I got sick at the end of a month and took the last 3 days of the month and first 2 days of the next one off and my mother in law freaked out I'm about to loose 20% of 2 month's salaries. She was and is still convinced that 20% deduction applies to a whole month worth of salary even if you take one day off that month. She almost never takes sick days and she works in a hospital... She self medicates and works with patients even when she has a transmittable diseases. Best of luck to those who have serious health problems and then get a fucking flu on top of everything from hospital staff. She is 60+ and reading the law to her doesn't change her mind. A couple years ago she had more serious health problems and took a week off for the first time in decades, even after getting a paycheck reduced only by 5% and not 20% her perception of this issue didn't change. She misunderstood that system once 40 years ago and she is going to take that misunderstanding to ger grave. Real world has no influence on her beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

That's the general conservative mindset. It's why lies work so well on them, get them to believe the lie and they'll never let it go.

[–] angband 8 points 2 days ago

this was pushed in the 80's/90's on conservative talk radio (iirc). strangely, it gets an ideological push from the phenomenon of income reduction resulting from lost welfare benefits as income increases. the brain correlates things irrationally.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago

This belief is held by many older folks due to propoganda, and it is passed down to their children when their parents teach them about taxes. Since almost all younger folks use automated tax services, if they aren't doing the math themselves, the fact that this isn't true isn't going to be discovered. I was taught the incorrect way when I was a kid, but noticed that it was wrong the first time I had to do my own taxes. But when I told my parents the way it actually worked, they didn't believe me until I showed them the .gov site that breaks it down. I grew up in a small, blue collar town, and every single person I talked to about taxes parroted the same incorrect system.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 days ago (30 children)

This is the problem. My partner doesn’t want to work OT because he thinks it will cost him more in taxes. I explain why that’s not exactly true, but I can tell he’s not interested. Financial Literacy in the US is abysmal.

[–] GaMEChld 22 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Your partner is a moron who doesn't understand relatively simple math.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Tbh, literacy in the US, financial or otherwise is abysmal right now.

[–] SkunkWorkz 4 points 2 days ago

it's just not the US. I live in the Netherland and many people here think OT and bonuses are taxed differently, because they see a higher tax rate applied to it on their slip. They forget that their base salary covers multiple brackets and a tax credit. Thus has a lower average tax rate than their OT and bonuses which falls in their top bracket or even a bracket above.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is not a US specific issue, tbh. I've heard this weird belief repeated by all sorts of people.

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[–] Kuranashi 172 points 3 days ago (4 children)

If you ever wanted proof that a population that doesn't understand math allows the billionaires to take advantage of them here it is. This is why education systems are under attack, because if you understood how taxes work you'd more likely support higher tax rates for the rich.

[–] slaacaa 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think this is at least partially the result of intentional propaganda. It benefits the elite greatly if a lot of Americans are screaming against higher top tax rates due to this faulty logic. There are also a lot of anecdotes of people not accepting higher paying job offers or promotions within their company, which also benefits the business owners.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It boggles my mind how many people who have had to pay taxes for decades even, don't understand how tax brackets work.

The only time you'll get screwed on making more is if you were getting some sort of socialized assistance and you make a dollar over the cut off for aid.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Yeah, the Welfare Cliff is the only place where this happens and it's unconscionable.

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[–] finitebanjo 152 points 3 days ago (7 children)

To be clear for those unaware, you pay the lower bracket rates for the amounts earned in that bracket and the higher bracket rates for the amounts earned above that bracket.

https://www.irs.gov/filing/federal-income-tax-rates-and-brackets

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I used to be a supervisor at a psych hospital and had to regularly explain this to staff who were refusing overtime. They wanted to do it, sometimes desperately so because they needed the money, but they were utterly convinced that once they crossed 40 or 45k or whatever they would be taxed higher and make it all pointless. I felt like some just didn’t want to do ot, which was fine, but some legit keep meticulous records of their earnings to ensure they wouldn’t go over the line. I swore to them it didn’t work this way but they never believed me

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Should print out a poster infographic explaining progressive taxation and put it up on the wall in the break room

[–] kameecoding 29 points 3 days ago

Yeah I am pretty sure they wouldn't understand this either

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[–] thermal_shock 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Seen the same bullshit when I worked retail. Nothing will convince them.

It's easier to trick someone than it is to convince them they're wrong.

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[–] burgerpocalyse 58 points 3 days ago (12 children)

try telling this to people who think government agencies pay taxes

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

I'm just in awe about those 28% and 33% tax brackets. I'm in the 49,5% bracket here in The Netherlands. That being said, I'm fortunate to be in it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] SkyezOpen 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't need one. The amount of times I've had to explain how fucking tax brackets work, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were even more skewed towards the wrong answer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

This is how missinformation spreads though. If something lines up with your existing worldview then you just assume it's true.

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[–] joel_feila 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And this why democracy won't work. How can people votw in their best interests when they don't know how basic taxes work

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How dumb do you have to be? By the time you make that much money you should, in theory, know the answer definitively or have a guy.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm more concerned about the third of dems who don't understand this.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago (5 children)

it's in the shitpost community and there's no sources cited

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