I've never understood why it is legal for law enforcement to lie and attempt to trick people. I get needing undercover cops to be able to lie. But anyone not officially under cover should not be allowed to.
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I never understood why uniformed officers need to always cover their faces, even in broad daylight...
Ohhh, someone needs to lose a job, for sure. The standard for process compliance needs to be 100%.
They only wanted to show the first page of a three page warrant because it was unsigned.
I did love this part.
At the same time, an individual with a loudspeaker — unaffiliated with the federal agents — shouted that Espinoza did not have to open the door to them without a warrant signed by a judge.
"Do not talk to them if they do not have a warrant," the individual said.
Other people who had been following the federal agents with megaphones called them "kidnappers" and "terrorists" and began chanting the words "say it once, say it twice, we will not put up with ICE."
I love that there is a crowd following around the ICE agents with a megaphone informing people of their rights.
This will make for a wonderful segment in a Behind the Bastards episode. If we get back onto a decent timeline, the crew will be able to offer up some of the most delicious absurdities.
This is my new favorite fact. I'm so going to buy a megaphone if I find out ICE is in my neighborhood.
How do you show someone a signed warrant without them opening their door? Sure, you can open it a little and slide it through the gap, but what if you don't have a chain lock and are afraid they'll force their way in?
Hold it up for them to see it through a window? Though in this case the person had already gone outside to talk to the ~~gestapo~~ er, ICE agents.
Hold it up to the window ?
It gives me hope that folks are tailing ICE nazis like this.
If I ever see those fuckers in my neighborhood it'll be the final straw to get me on next door, the city's subreddit, and whatever else I can get my hands on. And I'm gonna warn as many people as I can.
I wish there was a more formalized group for it though.
I'm honestly impressed. That's a brave position to be in.
Yeah, gutsy as fuck.
Yeah seriously. Boundless respect.
Trump loves the uneducated. He likes his voters dumb and his victims unaware of their rights. Good for the megaphone crowd.
Also the classic fascist play to immediately start tearing down government agencies so people aren’t sure what their rights are at any given moment. As you said, props to these people with megaphones
The media would have you believe that no one is fighting back, this is because if you feel alone you are less likely to fight back.
The title of the article implies that it's just silly that a traffic officer was confronted at his house by ICE, but what really matters in this article is the people following those ICE agents with megaphones.
They are doing what is right, while taking personal risk, and their bravery should be spread far and wide, so others will be emboldened to act.
There are always good people, there are always those who will fight, you are not alone.
“They were a little hesitant about showing me the warrant, per se, but what I saw they didn't have a seal on it or anything,” he told the LA Times. “What is did clearly say was 'illegal alien.'”
Once he saw those words, he realized it was likely an immigration issue.
“It happened so fast,” he said. “I was taken aback, really.”
At the same time, an individual with a loudspeaker — unaffiliated with the federal agents — shouted that Espinoza did not have to open the door to them without a warrant signed by a judge.
“Do not talk to them if they do not have a warrant,” the individual said.
Other people who had been following the federal agents with megaphones called them “kidnappers” and “terrorists” and began chanting the words “say it once, say it twice, we will not put up with ICE.”
Hell yeah! Run those brownshirts out of town, LA!
Hell yes that was an invigorating read! Those people following ICE agents around are HEROES. This also reminded me to get a megaphone.
Time to follow them around with loudspeakers while also open carrying.
Cut their tire stems if you get the chance too
Totally unrelated side note, but apparently the simple act of snapping off a strike-anywhere match head between the stem's pin & collar (don't screw the cap back on fully, to be sure) enables an impressively efficient leak to all affected tires that can easily go unnoticed until they're all flat. Additionally, if all four wheels are altered in this way, even if the flat tires reached their inoperable state at highway speeds, loss of control of the vehicle is unlikely.
p.s. Isn't it also so very curious that certain ceramic compounds seem to almost melt through automobile glass, and that same stuff is what spark plugs are made of? I wonder why urban bike messengers carry them en route. Hunh.
BBs or tiny bits of gravel also work.
loss of control of the vehicle is unlikely
Damn
Yeah, I hear it looks like a Flintstones car when no one keeps pedaling/running. 😂
Waaay illegal in Los Angeles
So is attempting to search a house without a warrant
That's that funny thing about laws and selective enforcement
There are several exemptions to the prohibitions against carrying an unloaded handgun in public under California Penal Code Section 26350 PC. Any person who has a been granted a concealed carry permit (“CCW”) under California Penal Code Section 26150 PC or California Penal Code Section 26155 PC would be allowed to openly carry their firearm while in a public, non-prohibited place.
While I can't find the specific ordinance at the moment, I'm about 95% positive that LA County has a law on the books prohibiting open carry, even unloaded (including replicas), even with a CCW. There are exemptions for law enforcement and while filming a permitted movie/tv show. Typically, local ordinance will supercede state law in situations like this here in CA.
That all said, I wouldn't be trying my luck against the LAPD/LASD lol.
That all said, I wouldn't be trying my luck against the LAPD/LASD lol.
They already shot someone's dog just because you mentioned them.
That's not stopping a whole lotta people
Concealed sure, but I don't think I've ever seen someone open carry in LA.
Wasn't that from the Rodney King riots in 1992?