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Researchers jailbreak a Tesla to get free in-car feature upgrades::A group of researchers found a way to hack a Tesla's hardware with the goal of getting free in-car upgrades, such as heated rear seats.

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[–] Djennik 230 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"you wouldn't download an in-car feature"

[–] maniclucky 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd do it even if I didn't want the feature.

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[–] [email protected] 224 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I'm amazed that it's legal for a car company to sell you something, and then after you own it, remotely disable xyz aspects of the functionality unless you pay them more. How can that be legal? I own the car, it's MINE now, how can I not use every single thing that's in it?

[–] FlyingSquid 131 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Same reason it's legal for HP to brick your printer if you use third party ink. You violated their shitty TOS that none of us read because it's 80 pages of legalese, but you agreed to it.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (4 children)

hmmm yes I suppose that's true. Okay so let me rephrase: I'm amazed it's legal for a car manufacturer to even HAVE a TOS like that when you purchase a car. It shouldn't be legal to write language like "you are purchasing this but agreeing that you can't use it" ... wtf?

[–] FlyingSquid 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I agree that it's wrong, but I don't think, at least in the U.S., that there's any law against it. Like I said, HP does the exact same thing with their printers. I certainly would like for it to be illegal.

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[–] Nioxic 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lets be fair

TOSs you need two lawyers and an ai chatbot to explain to you, shouldnt be legal vs regular citizens.

They cannot expect anyone to read all TOS they get thrown in their face throughout a lifetime. Let alone understand them. Its often not written super clearly and not all users can even read the language very well to begin with.

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[–] Cliffmode3000 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The captalism, American politics bought and paid for.

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[–] _number8_ 124 points 1 year ago (12 children)

good. software locks are anti human and anti consumer. everyone inherently feels ripped off by them, but the more capitalist minded think 'oh that's the company's right to do'

if it's my property in my house I can fuck with it to do whatever I want

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[–] captainjman2 119 points 1 year ago

Yes! Back to jailbreaking!

[–] foggy 94 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Hardware companies trying to copy the software companies with a subscription model really sucks. What's next? Intel charging a monthly fee to unlock 5 GHz boost? Nvidia charging a monthly fee if you want to do anything AI-related with their GPUs? Samsung and LG charging a monthly fee if you want to use a TV or a monitor for more than 2 hours a day? Greed knows no bounds.

[–] FireWire400 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Funnily enough, Intel tried something similar already in 2010 (way before their pay-as-you-go bullshit). It was a Pentium that you could unlock hyper-threading on for $50.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

of course it was the PSP. I’ll say it again and again; secure computing is like adding a back door that you know about. Fuck intel me, fuck amd psp, fuck apple sep, fuck microsoft tpm, and fuck anyone who wants to have control over a device I own.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google: time to add DRM to chrome

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[–] Iron_Lynx 72 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Can somebody build & sell a dumb electric car? Or at least one not permanently internet-enabled and/or that has no functionality and capabilities locked behind software and subscriptions?

[–] Agent641 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ive been genuinely thinking about getting into business selling dumb stuff exclusively. Dumb tvs, fridges, washers, phones, printers watever. Just a safe online vendor where you know that what you buy wont connect to the internet, need a subscription, or require a credit card on file to work. I just need a business name.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a neat idea, and definitely a product group that I've been actively looking for. But I do find it ironic that your business model is of an online vendor that sells offline versions of online appliances haha

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[–] cybersandwich 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Technological serfdom. You don't own anything anymore. You can perpetually rent from your lord or you can suffer the consequences.

[–] Agent641 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The "you wouldnt pirate a car" crowd will be shook when they finally realize " yes we would"

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A group of researchers said they have found a way to hack the hardware underpinning Tesla’s infotainment system, allowing them to get what normally would be paid upgrades — such as heated rear seats — for free.

This may also give owners the ability to enable the self-driving and navigation system in regions where it’s normally not available, the researchers told TechCrunch, though they admitted that they haven’t tested these capabilities yet, as that would require more reverse engineering.

“We are not the evil outsider, but we’re actually the insider, we own the car,” Werling told TechCrunch in an interview ahead of the conference.

Werling explained that what they did was “fiddle around” with the supply voltage of the AMD processor that runs the infotainment system.

With the same technique, the researchers said they were also able to extract the encryption key used to authenticate the car to Tesla’s network.


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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago

Researchers jailbreak Tesla to allow usage of the entire car they purchased. FTFY

[–] swirle13 45 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This looks to have already been discovered years ago as this company sells an OBD2 plug that can toggle all of this stuff, as well as highjacking some controls to add new functionality, as well as adding 50HP to those cars with a specific rear motor version https://ingenext.ca/products/ghost-upgrade

Is this method software only? Because the upgrades on that site are pretty expensive and proprietary.

[–] 4thDimensionDuck 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

as well as adding 50HP

Holy shit, IRL health buffs to mounts

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[–] mydickismicrosoft 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is great. When you buy the car, you own it. I don’t care what kind of weird licenses and contracts they put together. If I buy the car and there is hardware in the car that allows for heated seats, there is no reason why I shouldn’t be able to enable it myself, tear it out, or do whatever I want with it. It is mine.

I can understand there being safety concerns for modifying a car. But the owner of the car already accepts liability for the operation of that car. If I do not modify the car and I get into an accident due to Teslas auto pilot feature or another thing baked into their system, does Tesla accept liability? No, they do not. If it is my responsibility for the safe operation of the vehicle, then it is also my responsibility to modify a vehicle in a safe manner. 

[–] _sideffect 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Never buying any car with this type of tech.

If it's "our future" then I'll stick to used cars for life

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

"Researchers remove limits that shouldn't be there on features that are already part of the car"

[–] itadakimasu 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Elon's going to have a hissy fit

[–] woooferine 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He has one every X minutes anyway, an extra one is not going to make any difference.

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[–] bisexualskunkie 23 points 1 year ago

Can't imagine a bigger "fuck you" to give to the Muskrat... other than when Xtwitter finally implodes.

[–] foggy 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"how to jailbreak your Mr coffee grinder and grind any beans you want!"

"5 hacks to get your doorbell to keep working without a subscription!"

"How to beat Microsoft Office drm to turn in assignments for free!"

"4 clever ways to keep your AC running all summer long for free, no CC required! #3 will shock you!"

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[–] bappity 18 points 1 year ago

GOOD!! I despise it when hardware features are held at ransom!

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