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Edit: I snapped this after I found it. That's how I knew it was on so tight. It still took me a good few minutes to find it because I kept looking under the car. I wasn't expecting the filter to be on top.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Devils advocate: As a mechanic, if I tighten the oil filter too little, I'm liable for thousands in repairs. If I tighten the oil filer too much, some rando curses me but I don't hear it and continue sleeping like a baby. Or it comes back to me and I don't care if it's tight, Ive got the tools that make it easy.

So, sorry, not sorry. I'm gonna keep cranking those puppies down.

Also your PCV hose is starting to look pregnant.

[–] spicytuna62 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Shhhhhhhhh

We ignore little things until they're problems. Tis the broke bitch car guy way.

Yeah, it's pushing thirty years old. We've got some deferred maintenance items to tend to. This isn't my daily lol

And no I totally don't blame the techs and mechanics for super snugging filters. I was pissed off an hour ago, but now that I'm on the other side of this job, I get it.

I mean, I'm still pissed, but I get it lol

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I wouldn't sweat the PCV line until I had to remove it for some reason either.

Those old Civics are indestructible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

You see where that filter is. You damned well know it was tightened with just a hand and no tool was involved. OP just needs to pull out his man hand and power that sucker loose.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The danger in overtightening is that you ruin the seal. So maybe not quite as bad as loose, but an oil leak is still a problem. Much like anything with a crush washer, you want to get it snug, then tighten enough to squish it, but not so much that you ruin the very thing that keeps it intact.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

That's not really so much of an issue. Virtually all spin on oil filters are designed in such a way that you can tighten them until the metal filter body contacts the sealing surface and the o-ring will still be happy and protected from over-squishing in it's little recess.

All bets are off if you're buying no-name filters tho.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Just as a another form of Devil's advocate, going over the manufacturer's recommended specs on it isn't a good idea either and intentionally making a car have to go back to a shop in order to be repaired on something that should be as simple repair is the easiest way to make it so the customer doesn't come back

I had that happen with my first vehicle, normally I change my own oil and filter because it's about the most stupid easy job that you can do, but it was finals week and I already had way too much stuff on plate so I caved and under my parents recommendation brought it to a local shop

Everything went fine didn't spend through the roof but the next time I went to change my oil oh my God those fuckers put that oil pan plug on there so fucking tight that there was actually signs that it was starting to strip/warp, I had to get my dad to help me with it which was super embarrassing and he laughed at me until he tried to do it himself and he fucking struggled with it.

It was clear that shop intentionally made it as tight as fucking possible because they wanted to make it so the next time it happened they wanted it to be brought in again. After we finally got it off we both agreed on one thing, neither of us are bringing our vehicles back to that shop again. That was over 10 years ago now and I'm still holding true to my word fuck them I'll drive the extra 20 minutes to another shop

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm sorry that happened. But literally no one, even the shadiest shop, is doing that intentionally. Laziness and using air tools, probably. Trying to save a buck by using the original crush washer and just tightening it down harder, also likely. Intentionally over tightening so you have to come back to them; extremely unlikely.

After we finally got it off we both agreed on one thing, neither of us are bringing our vehicles back to that shop again. That was over 10 years ago now and I'm still holding true to my word fuck them I'll drive the extra 20 minutes to another shop

That's exactly what you should do if you're not happy with the service. But be prepared to wait to get into a decent mechanic. The ones that provide shitty service are able to stay in business because there is always someone in a hurry. And this is why I say they aren't intentionally over torquing your drain bolt. They don't give a shit if you come back on not; there's plenty others waiting.

I'm glad my professional wrenching isn't in the automotive field any more.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Okay, you're a mechanic, great, you're awsome, thank you for your input but oil filters do have a set torque strenght to be tightened to. Overtighten any screw can and will cause damage either to the screw itself or the socket it is being driven into and I'm sure you know it.

I had a mechanic do this - the better to overtighten than not - and strip the socket of the oil level sound: the mounting block was aluminum, the screw was steel. Guess what happened when the sound had to be replaced?

The cost to have that damage alone repaired made scrap the car. It was still in good shape but not worthy of spending that much to repair.

[–] riodoro1 1 points 2 days ago

„Manufacturer doesn’t know shit” Random car guy in a greasy shop.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is an amazing joke. Really fucking funny once you find the filter in the original picture

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

ha, thanks! i thought so too!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

It's suspended 😮

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Are you taking suggestions or questions?

The oils filter is the bright blue thingamabob sticking out the side of the engine on the bottom of the screen.

To remove it, I risk I could, but only after sharing a piece of my mind with the loon that tightened it at that setting.

[–] AngryCommieKender 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

If you can get a screwdriver through it, you might be able stick a pipe on said screwdriver to give you a lot more torque. Just have an oil pan underneath, because it will start leaking oil when you put the screwdriver through it.

As others have said. Filter is blue.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

The only time I've resorted to the screwdriver technique (due to not having enough room to tighten and then turn a strap/chain wrench) the screwdriver shank just tore through the filter when I tried to turn it, a broader tool like a wide chisel might have a better chance of success.

What I ended up using that time was an air hammer with a broad headed chisel (pushing on the side where the impact would unscrew the filter). The angles wouldn't work well for this in OPs case but if you have enough side access to get the air hammer through it's a decent last resort.

[–] stankmut 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I had to do this to get the factory oil filter off my motorcycle. Went through 3 different oil filter removal tools and all I achieved was rounding off all the edges of the filter.

[–] AngryCommieKender 3 points 2 days ago

Yep. I had that issue with my Jeep Patriot. Tried everything I could think of to not have to puncture the thing, but I couldn't get it off any other way.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Center bottom, the blue thing. I'd use this:

But yeah, it's not quite easy.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oxyacetylene torch. It cannot be tight if it's liquid.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would hesitate to take a tirch to an oil filter.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What could go wrong? It'll be fine

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

After all, a stubborn oil filter will be the least of your concerns then 😅

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm always nervous when I hear that in the shop.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just close your eyes and let it happen

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[–] somewhiteguy 4 points 2 days ago

Just let the apprentice do it. Boss can't be too mad at someone just learning.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tin snips would be a better option if you just absolutely can't get it off.

[–] Graphy 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’ve had a few where I was forced to crush it with some vice grips then turn the handle on the grips with a long cheater bar

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[–] spicytuna62 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love the way you think. Fire always solves something lmao

[–] NegativeLookBehind 6 points 2 days ago

Just remember Newton's first law: Fire is fucking awesome

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I detect Honda B-series engine. Damn, if only I hadn't spent the last 5 years of my life exclusively working on my own Honda of identical build.

Your oil filter is accessed from underneath the car, you will need a set of ramps or a floor jack and jackstands.

It is on the rear side of the engine block, horizontally screwed onto the side of the block. Basically trace your exhaust pipe straight back as it goes under the oil pan, then go up. It's not terribly hard to reach.

Get yourself a locking chain wrench like this to try and get it off. I've been able to get off even the most fucked oil filters with one

[–] spicytuna62 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's an H22A in a Prelude Type SH. But the valve cover between the B and H do look very similar.

engine pics

There is no room to get to the oil filter from the bottom. Believe me. I tried. This engine mounts it up top to make room for the ATTS unit. The base Preludes, however, do have side-mounted oil filters that are significantly easier to reach. The filter on my R-series Civic is bottom-mounted and super easy to reach. But yeah, this guy was a true PITA.

I snapped this after I found it. I'm a fairly honest dude. I wouldn't say find the thing that isn't in the picture lol It's the blue canister in the center bottom of the pic. You'll see it just left of the brake master ;)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

H Series Gang! There have been a lot of times I've been happy my Prelude is not an SH, and I enjoy my T2W4 swap! I've got a DC2 Integra with an H23 VTEC swap that's pretty fun, but I would've kept the B18 personally! I can live without power steering but no A/C in the south is rough.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Cars with oil filters like that always roll in when you're not busy, so they don't get to cool in the lot, and you get to watch your skin melt when you accidentally touch metal. Good times.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

where's my quarter? 🫴

Edit: To get it out, you can use one of those tools that has a band that wraps around the filter and tightens as you try to unscrew the filter. If you need more torque, use a long bar that can go over the handle of the filter tool. If you don't have a long bar, you might be able to use a wrench. Place the circular side around the handle of the tool, to create a longer distance between the filter and you push with your hand on this make shift lever to increase torque.

One time, I didn't have the filter tool, so I hammered a screw driver through the entire filter, creating a handle on each side which I could use to unscrew the filter. If nothing you try works, the ultimate piece to unscrew is that bare metal (no paint) piece that screws on. Rip everything of the filter off until you get to that piece, spray it with silicone lube, and see how you can twist it off.

[–] spicytuna62 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

You have fifteen minutes in the game, son. Go score a backrub or whatever they call it idk I don't coach football.

I've heard of punching screwdrivers through them. I didn't have any screwdrivers I wanted to get oily since I use those on my PC. I did grab some oil filter pliers from the parts store and those finally did the trick.

I won't use them much, but I'm sure they'll come in handy again one day

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I feel weird, dad. What's that feeling? It feels like you noticed me trying and value my contribution. I don't trust it. 😵‍💫

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

The screwdriver trick is mid imo - you run a major risk of just shearing the filter body wall and now your problem is a leaky oil filter that’s much harder to grasp with other hand tools. Go buy a strap wrench that you can use to install and remove.

Or for the very stubborn filters, these kind of tools are very much a one trick pony that only takes the filter off, but it’s a good trick - it has worked every single time for me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

If you're too sissy to use a screwdriver, you can always use a punch. Those are the true bottoms of the tool chest, made to be used hard and put away filthy.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal 3 points 2 days ago

Lean over with a good grippy glove and wrench that little blue bitch out.

Or buy Honda Part number 07AAA-PLCA100 and a ratchet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are we allowed to take out interference items?

[–] over_clox 5 points 2 days ago (7 children)

OP offered $60 if someone can do it for them, so as long as you get the job done and everything reinstalled and running, sure, go for it.

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