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Summary

Donald Trump initiated controversial tariffs, formally launching a trade war despite opposition from allies and widespread criticism among policy experts.

He imposed a 25% tariff on Mexican and Canadian imports, with additional charges on Canadian energy and Chinese goods under emergency powers.

Critics and experts lambasted the decision, arguing that the tariffs severely penalize American industries, undermine trade agreements, and reflect poor economic judgment.

Observers predict lasting repercussions for international relations and domestic markets.

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[–] JeeBaiChow 6 points 13 hours ago

Stupid stupid STUPID people let this happen. Good job American voters! You are once again the center of ridicule.

[–] NatakuNox 32 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If you are a Canadian or Mexican please contact your representatives and have them do a more targeted tariff plan. Target American red states directly! Oil tariffs should be universal but anything made in red states and counties should have a 100% tariff. Force industry and goods to flow through blue areas and Trump's support will crumble.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 21 hours ago

As a Canadian, I'm all for targeting red states where possible but I fully expect the blow back to hit all Americans. Tariffs are a relatively blunt instrument. If we put a 25% tariff on softwood lumber for example, I don't think we get to say that only purchasers in red states have to pay it. Every American purchaser has to pay an extra 25% for those 2x4s, or car parts, or potash, or crude oil, or electricity, or aluminum, or steel, or raw minerals. Those purchasers will inevitably download that cost onto their customers, which means that ultimately American consumers collectively are going to foot the bill.

Some of these Canadian response measures will even come back to harm Canadians! There are plenty of instances where Canadian companies sell raw materials to US companies and then Canadian consumers buy back finished products that incorporate some of those materials. As such, some of the added cost of Canadian tariffs is going to be paid by Canadian consumers. Regular citizens on both sides of the border are in the some boat, and Trump put us there with his stupid, stupid choice. Canadian or American, we would all do well to remember that because I'm sure that Trump would love nothing more than to see us divided and hating one another.

I'm sorry for the economic damage that this fight is going to cause all of us, on both sides of the border. Please remember that Trump started this fight, and Canada will not roll over. I think Liberal leadership candidate Mark Carney summed it up best in this BBC interview. The whole interview is worth a watch, but the link goes to the highlight to which I'm referring. Here's the transcript of that highlight:

Interviewer: It's pretty clear that [Trump] thinks [Canada] can be pushed around.

Carney: We can't.

[–] TsarVul 97 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He's only losing if you consider him to be playing for Team America.

[–] Diplomjodler3 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's just what someone infected with the woke mind virus (i.e. in possession of at least two functioning brain cells) would say.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin 19 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't worry, with Trump we'll all soon be infected with bird flu instead. Trump Flu, alongside Trump Inflation and a Trump Drought in California.

[–] Nightwingdragon 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Serious question.

If republicans are so up-in-arms about this, what's stopping them from passing a bill nullifying this bullshit with Democrat help? They would easily have enough to pass a bill and override his veto. If they're not willing to do that, they're not as upset as they claim to be.

[–] friend_of_satan 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

with Democrat help

Modern GOP strategy essentially says "never cooperate with dems". They've been The Party of No for over 20 years.

“If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”

[–] CharlesDarwin 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Easily over 30 years. Newt's Contract ON America is from 1994, after all, and his dirty nasty tactics go back long before that. It was codified in his GOPAC memo, "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control"

https://www.downwithtyranny.com/post/gingrich-s-1996-memo-fostered-divisiveness-there-s-a-much-better-way-to-do-what-he-was-attempting

Once he seized control, he did things intentionally to drive more division. The path that got us to where donvict waltzed in and slapped his name on the place was decades in the making. Newt and Ronnie Raygun played very big parts in it.

[–] Nightwingdragon 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know. I'm just saying they could if they wanted to. I'm under no illusions that any of these people have a spine.

[–] Bytemeister 4 points 23 hours ago

Saying they could get over it and work with dems is kinda like saying a person with stolkholm syndrome can just get over it and defy their captor. It's a mental condition, but in this case, they did it to themselves voluntarily.

[–] jewbacca117 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

They would let trump fuck their wives if he said it was to own the libs

[–] CharlesDarwin 2 points 20 hours ago

Because they are all quivering little pussies, that's why. They want their job and all the benefits it entails and don't want to get primaried (or now, even worse) by donvict and his pals.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

obviously he's losing. he's a fucking loser. this is what he does. he only ever wins games he rigs. even then the gravitational pull of his loser energy is inescapable. who the fuck bankrupts a casino?

[–] Xanthobilly 5 points 19 hours ago

Someone who isn’t using it for profit, but instead for money laundering. After finished, claim a loss on taxes through bankruptcy. Rinse, repeat.

[–] pivot_root 15 points 1 day ago

who the fuck bankrupts a casino?

If you ask one of his diehard cultists, the answer is a genius businessman. Bankruptcy is just sticking it to the elites and bankers by not having to pay loans, not an indicator of total incompetence /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Wow they BLASTED him?!?!? That's sounds intense. Call me old fashioned but I like a good SLAM. It just feels more like winning. \s

[–] Sterile_Technique 5 points 22 hours ago

...actually a blast is more in line with what's needed to stop him from continuing to destroy our country.

[–] CharlesDarwin 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Seems like donvict wants to annex Canada. Not even kidding.

And if all you peasants, including those wearing red hats, have to pay the price (up to and including losing your life, or the lives of your parents, or your children, or your siblings in a literal shooting war with Canada) that's something donvict AND fElon is willing to risk...

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No. YOU are losing. He's almost dead and won't live to see the long term outcome of what he's doing. And the broligarchs he's helping have enough money to live through all the oncoming misery.

You, non ultrarich person living in the OS, on the other hand... You are fucked.

[–] Eatspancakes84 3 points 19 hours ago

To be honest, I really worry about what will happen when he dies. I think the only somewhat positive feature of Trump is that he is a coward. He will back down if you push back. Vance will try to simulate Trump by copying his bluster, but he won’t back down even in the face of a war (because dear leader would not have done so either).

[–] NineMileTower 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What does fucked mean? It's easy to say "we're fucked". But what is your actual prediction of how bad things will get?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

New world order where the US are a secondary player that nobody cares about.

The reality is the US right now are completely expendable when it comes to the global market, and the turd is going to find out soon that we can live without US commerce, but US can't live without world commerce.

[–] werefreeatlast 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2069436850145993

50 States, 50 Protests, 1day

Feb 5 @ your downtown.

Pass the word!

[–] _wizard 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Doesn't link anywhere for me. Also, I'm very iffy of anyone organizing on Facebook.

Edit: Found some other sources for 50501. I'll be at my capital this Wednesday.

[–] witten 5 points 1 day ago

Also, those demands are too wide-ranging and open-ended IMO. They need to be more specific and focused.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 8 points 1 day ago

We’re losing while this buffoon flexes his tiny-brain power in a completely ignorant attempt to appear strong while simultaneously kneecapping the citizens of the US. While it’d be great if it just f’d the people who voted for him it unfortunately will affect all us while he tanks the economy in some attempt to “reset” it like he did for himself in his multiple bankruptcies. Problem is that he had an economy, money, and assets in the bank to return to when he came out of bankruptcy, the citizens won’t because it doesn’t work like that for a country. Him and the billionaires will be fine, they’ll just carve the country up in the resulting fire sale.