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Summary

Donald Trump signed an executive order declaring only two sexes, male and female, based on reproductive cells at conception, banning gender-affirming care, and limiting federal recognition of gender diversity.

Experts, including Dr. Richard Bribiescas, president of the Human Biology Association, criticized the policy as nonsensical, stating, “Clearly, this order is not fully informed by current biological science.”

Biologists noted the order oversimplifies human biology, ignores intersex individuals, and conflates sex and gender.

Critics warned it advances anti-trans rhetoric and risks legal challenges.

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[–] Lasherz12 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

But they're not talking about its effect on egg prices

[–] [email protected] 1 points 58 minutes ago

Don't you understand? You were the egg this whole time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Critics warned it advances anti-trans rhetoric

Hmmm yes this floor appears to made of floor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Reminds me of the time someone wanted to define π = 3 because it would be more convenient to calcate with.

(Except bigotry isn't quite the same as convenience, except insofar that it conveniently avoids having to acknowledge complex social issues)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

I thought he declared one sex?

[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Ah, yes.

Trump will surely change his mind after reading their sternly written letter, because as we all know, Trump truly cares about science.

[–] atx_aquarian 28 points 2 days ago

Changing his mind isn't the goal. He constantly already does that for the highest bidder. The people who have to enforce this stuff and the courts that have to rule on it are the ones who need to be well aware of its nonsense, and the bigger of a mess that causes, the better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

He totally reads written reports too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

And he can't read, at least not big words with more than 2 syllables.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump's new sex definitions are impossible for anyone to meet. Everyone is legally nonbinary now. https://medium.com/@viridiangrail/trump-says-americans-are-all-intersex-not-female-b31f97ffd80d

[–] frog_brawler 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine; all of this to prevent trans folks from using the women’s restroom… but now we can all use the women’s restroom by way of Executive Order. What a time to be alive!

[–] elrik 10 points 1 day ago

I'm pretty sure now we all MUST use the women's restroom as we're all legally female.

[–] lunarul 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

conflates sex and gender

I read the order. It explicitly avoids defining gender and says that only sex should be used everywhere (which it does define, but incorrectly).

It basically says that the government doesn't care about your gender, they just want to know what's in your pants (or used to be).

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago (2 children)

they just want to know what’s in your pants (or used to be).

At the moment of conception....

Of course that's the real poison pill of this. The real intention is to declare personhood at conception... and pave the way for the nation wide abortion ban. Making things worse for trans people, is just the decoy.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At the moment of conception...

Doesn’t everyone start out female and then become male or stay female?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Conception is literally the point when the sperm fertilizes the egg:

Conception (or fertilization) is when sperm and an egg join together.

reference

At that point it's not anything, it's just a fertilized egg. Assigning a sex to it makes no sense at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So everyone should be no sex then?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

At conception, yes, there is no sexual differentiation. In humans the SRY protein is responsible for a fetus developing male sexual characteristics. The effects of this gene are expressed after week 6 of development:

SRY gene effects normally take place 6–8 weeks after fetus formation which inhibits the female anatomical structural growth in males. It also works towards developing the secondary sexual characteristics of males.

That is, at least a month and a half after conception.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Doesn't it have a complete set of sex chromosomes at that point?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

As far as I an aware, yes. But the degree did not mention chromosomes, but rather

the sex that produces the large reproductive cell And the sex that produces the small reproductive cell

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they declare personhood at conception some pregnant women should demand to be allowed to purchase a life insurance policy, and immediately sue when denied.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

The levels of chaos that can come from this are off the charts... Yeah someone can purchase life insurance on an unborn child... at the same time every miscarriage is on the board for manslaughter/homicide, basically leading mothers to prove that the miscariages were not intended or negligent. The ramifications and definitions of things are outright terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Executive order ‘ripped’, or maybe ‘blasted’ or whatever the latest word for ‘we made some tiny lil vid or headline saying maybe it wasn’t the best.’ I’m so sick of it. Sick of the way media portrays things. That’s it, the media has been SLAMMED by me, ripped, blasted, smoked! Whatever bullshit that basically means ‘we disagree, but have no teeth’ bleh

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Right? Add to that, that the reasoning they always use is reasoning that no longer applies.

Stop wasting time with open letters, and arguing about the wording of laws and orders whose intents are crystal clear, and will be carried out in the way it was always intended regardless of any stupid fucking technicality you think you found.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

As usual President Felon is talking out his ass, doing nothing for Americans, and being led by the nose by christian fascists. Someone please get that man 25 buckets of KFC. Cardiac event in 3-2...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

So they just denied the Judeo-Christian yhwh, because that being is androgyne.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

If you want to see how history is going to play out on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_10450

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What about intersex people?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Everyone who does not fit into their categories, and everyone who cares about people who don't fit into their categories, needs to understand that you don't and can't fight Nazis by proving them wrong in an argument. You have to fight Nazis by fighting them. Also understand that you will be on their list of targeted "misfits" soon enough, so fight in solidarity with everyone who already is.

[–] Bytemeister 16 points 2 days ago

Cured. Thank you Mrs. Trump for clearing that up so easily.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (7 children)

It's such a fucking stupid argument everyone is a human just get rid of male and female and sex all together.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Get rid of sex altogether? I'm already ahead of the curve

[–] ZILtoid1991 1 points 1 day ago

I am hypersexual, and I need sex.

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