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In my eyes, news outlets like for example ProPublica had started to lose respect, because they still use Twitter like nothing ever happened.

Why they don't leave like what The Guardian did or like the other news outlets?

Are they too corporate internally to leave Twitter?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

ProPublica is also on Mastodon. Maybe they feel like there's too many unenlightened people they still need to reach out to.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 hours ago

It's a bit of a dilemma. If you leave, you'll also leave Twitter's (still large) userbase to freely be manipulated by the far-right without any objections. If you stay, you support a network owned and controlled by a fascist. By continuing to provide content you encourage other people to stay on the platform. I'm personally in favor of everyone leaving, but I understand why some organizations don't. The least they should do is establish a presence on other networks so nobody has to use Twitter to see their content though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

You need to be a bit more patient. It's happening. Lots of people are leaving Twitter/X. But it takes time.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Most news outlets nowadays are the equivalent of Buzzfeed. They do whatever get them clicks. Journalism is optional. And so is any sense of ethics

If their customers don't punish them by withholding their money/support, their rich owners are definitely not going to push for a change. You saw how the main tech giants bent their knees at Trump's inauguration

[–] JubilantJaguar 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

OP specified nonprofit outlets. Of which there are more and more, and they don't have the same incentives. Important not to fall into cynicism on this subject.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

OP specified nonprofit outlets

Fair point! I thought I specified "most mainstream news outlets" but I actually did not in the end

Important not to fall into cynicism on this subject.

Eh. You call it cynicism, I call it realism. To each their own

[–] slazer2au 23 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Because that is where people were and still are. So their processes are still to put content there.

[–] Acamon 4 points 11 hours ago

That's a self fulfilling cycle. If more institutions and organisation left and made a public statement of not wanting to be associated with fascism, then it would push another bunch to have to defend why they didn't think nazi salutes were a problem, and they'd leave too.

Whether it makes enough of a wave to push major groups to leave is a question of public pressure, but that public pressure is expressed through "costly signalling" that show organisations have values and are willing to take a hit to live by them. And non-profits are exactly the groups who can afford to take a symbolic stand, and make things more difficult for those that remain.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Why did The Guardian leave then?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago

The Guardian is a top newspaper. Number 3ish in the UK. It already has a massive following.

The people being mad at propublica for not leaving I think is something only happening in your social sphere

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Why most reasonable US citizen won't leave the US now that the orange dude is in charge, free to spread his terrible ideology? Probably because they can't leave the country (their job, their family, their friends...). The same goes for most media, they need to reach their audience and a lot of their audience is still on X. Edit: and because they refuse to leave the country in the hands of the Orange dude, too.

Papers like The Guardian are able to take risks, because they don't rely on ads revenues but on subscriptions and because they also know some of their audience (hi, guys) aren't on X anymore ;)

[–] slazer2au 1 points 12 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

I would guess it's because there are no other alternatives to X that are as big and as popular.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Easy as well. Things like Bluesky could be a bit confusing for newcomers

[–] glimse 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Mastodon, the alternative I hoped took off, has a confusing onboarding process for non-techies. But Bluesky's is not confusing at all, it's as good as Twitter's ever was

[–] TigerClawTV 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Mastodon is great. Decentralized is a must.

[–] glimse 3 points 4 hours ago

I don't disagree but they need something to make it more attractive to new users. The only person I talked into making an account got confused selecting a server...but I've gotten a half dozen people on bluesky with no handholding

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I haven't tried it, but it's just not as big as X.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

It got a bit more popularity over the last half of year. Not as big as X, but not small AF and it's the best "easy" alternative. The best "hard" alternative is mastodon, what makes it "hard" is it's very fragmented and it takes some efforts to pick instance, to understand consequences of your choice, and to figure out how to use your feed for different scenarios.