Would doing something like disguising the chess pieces as Monopoly pieces or the board as a table design confuse the AI?
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I think non standard pieces could be easily adapted to with ai, for example just by observing the start position :/
Disguise the positions then. Things I can see here include A) having a game where the assumed start positions aren't there and the pieces only enter the board upon their first move B) having a board where the squares detach into little islands but function the same C) playing without a board as if you had a board.
Everything mentioned could technically be tried. We're talking about a game people say they can play "in their heads" cries in aphantasia
Simple. Replace the glasses with an anal buzzer. You'll be a chess master in no time!
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They should use a Faraday cage. It doubles as a WWE steel cage if one is caught cheating.
Joking aside, chess engines can run on very little hardware. It's not out of the question that something like this might be entirely embedded soon enough.
The hardest part might be interpreting the board state.
The hard part might be communication. It’s easy to consider a device that can play chess as getting smaller and easier to hide, even a camera getting too small to notice.
But how does the device tell you what to do. The heads-up display is obvious but you can probably take action against that. Or maybe a voice but EarPods are noticeable if you’re looking for them, and maybe hearing aids not allowed. But what’s even less conspicuous? This thread has people joking about vibrating anal plugs but you can imagine lots of possibilities for extremely discrete devices if you can figure out a way to communicate sufficiently. My example was going to be a ring
You could offload that to a phone, though.
AFAIK you are not allowed any kind of mobile devices during chess games.
Bluetooth has a pretty good range and low power consumption.
Ok but we were talking about a faraday cage scensrio.
A phone up you ass, then you're good to go regardless of any cage.
I've been seeing this suggestion in various replies and it's got me thinking people are just seeking an excuse at this point. 😂
Is WWE not wrestling? Not sure how barely-disguised gay porn is going to solve this
barely-disguised gay porn
You're writing this as if it were a bad thing.
It's soap operas for men.
Considerable application of the choking aspect
It's pretty obvious isn't it? 😁
How can someone prevent this from happening, for example in a tournament match?
If it's a tournament, I would consider this:
- Have a clear rule forbidding the use of AI and to wear AI-powered device, including glasses. With real sanctions.
- Have the judge check glasses (and phones and whatever) before each game.
If it's in a club, have the same rules with the sanction of expelling the cheater from the club. Temporary ban for a first time, perma ban starting with the second one.
As a chess player myself, I would also reconsider my habits, ie I may stop going to those clubs where the (stupid, literally) mentality to win at any cost would not be kept under tight control by the staff.
There are a couple avenues of attack:
- The camera- It the camera can’t see the board, it can’t provide moves. An IR blaster may be a valid tool to blind the camera, but not the player. This could be a battery and LED with a switch that is placed next to the board.
- The internet connection - If the AI can’t talk to where the processing is happening, it can’t get answers. Anything from a jammer to a metal cage would work here, but watch your legality.
- The device itself - anything to stop the device from working. This could be a EMP, but that’s rather non-selective.
- The board - limiting information from the board in a way humans can understand but AI currently can’t. This could be as simple as only showing half of a board at any time.
The IR blaster is likely your best bet, else it might be time for a ruling of “no electronic glasses at the board”.
Or the board could be disguised as something the camera doesn't recognize.
An EMP destroys electronics, you probably don't want to go there over a board game.
If this becomes a tit-for-tat arms race then there's ways around IR blasters or jammers - an IR filter for the camera, optical networking for the jammer.
I think partially this depends on the circumstances. Is this some kind of million-dollar tournament game, or is it just people playing in the park? For big tournaments with serious money on the line, a lot of effort might be reasonable. For recreation, not so much.
Besides legality on jammers, they tend to be area of effect. They also can do discreet frequencies.
The IR blaster and jammers are the best solutions as oing as you don't interfere with something like 911 and have signposts about usage.
You could require that players wear glasses of a certain kind: Eg transparent plastic frames, or fine wire frames which are too small to conceal any device.
You certainly could depending on how casual this is. For just a small local thing, I'm probably not buying a second pair of glasses to make them feel better.
IR LEDs are stupid cheap and easy to rig. I have a fat board of them I got for $7. Also have a couple of flashers that plug directly on top of a 9V battery.
I think you can take inspiration from 2014. Just be annoying, stop these people and have a long and detailed conversation and taunt them. Do this constantly. It has already worked for those "glassholes" back then.
I mean these glasses are kind of obvious if you know what you're looking for. And still have big and clunky parts that look off. I think you'd have to familiarize yourself with how they look. But that's not too hard as there are very few models out there.
OP's premise is specifically that you cannot detect them easily at some point in the future. Are you planning on insulting every single person who wears prescription glasses?
Oh fair enough. Guess you'd have to check people before a tournament then. It'd be similar and far easier than the Hans Niemann case in 2023. I suppose you can just demand everyone having their glasses looked at in some hypothetical future. That's far easier than checking if some sex toy is up their arse...
And still have big and clunky parts that look off.
Fucking hell have you seen European women recently 😂
I mean pretty much all women I met IRL are European. I guess that trend didn't extend to my peer group yet. Yeah, maybe except for silly sunglasses. But I'd be wary immediately if someone didn't take those things off indoors 😆
Yeah, maybe except for silly sunglasses. But I'd be wary immediately if someone didn't take those things off indoors 😆
Unless they're Bono.
Maybe use pieces with nonstandard shapes, or colors?
I think non standard pieces could be easily adapted to with ai, for example just by observing the start position :/
I also think it would be disruptive to the players. Especially tournaments require standard pieces.
What about gold and silver pieces with mirror-like finishes? Their appearances would change with every move, as they reflect the different pieces around them.
AI will likely register the board as chess or checkers then on the first few moves realize it's chess and begin narrowing down spaces with or without the reflections then displaying potential moves. A big issue with AI is its ability to adapt to new information.
Currently the camera and/or screen information might be fairly obvious just by looking, but assuming technology improves this could become harder to detect.
Hard to answer if you're using something extremely hypothetical like this. If we don't know how that's supposed to work, we can't really come up with a feasible solution.
I suppose you could just set off a small EMP - surely if AI/screen tech is that small, EMP emitters would get miniaturized as well?
EMPs are indiscriminate. They will affect all electronic devices in the range of the EMP. You don't want to take out a pacemaker.
Another commentor points towards IR blasters and jammers.
these are called jammers and are illegal for most of people (except like military or presidential detail)
I just meant cameras could get smaller and be hard to see, likewise screens might become indistinguishable from glass. If you can't visually check, what can you do?
I think it would depend on the specs of the camera but what about an infra red torch or light, invisible to the naked eye it would blind and disrupt a camera so the computer can't see the moves
Just check them
You could maybe provide glasses on venue. Have some different strength lenses ready to pop in a frame. That or just check the inside of the frame for the name of the glasses and check if it is AI powered.
Or just check to see if it has an integrated camera and the other tech. Pretty sure there are tools with sensors that could identify the electronics existing.