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Summary

Special counsel Jack Smith's report asserts sufficient evidence existed to convict Donald Trump for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election but cites Trump’s 2024 presidential victory as the reason charges were dropped, due to constitutional protections for sitting presidents.

Smith detailed Trump’s actions, including pressuring officials, spreading false election claims, and encouraging protests.

While charges against co-conspirators were considered, no final conclusions were reached.

Smith denied political bias, emphasizing adherence to facts and law.

The report also references challenges like expanded presidential immunity.

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well great job dragging your asses and never getting this out in time to save the USA. Now we get at least 4 more years of terror, hopefully we're all still here after.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

TBH I'm not sure how would this "obviously political witch hunt /s" affect elections. It could go the other way you'd expect.

[–] Mirshe 12 points 3 days ago

Not with a lot of the modern GOP. They're fully convinced the "establishment" is out to get each and every one of them, personally, and Trump being accused of interfering in an election is just fuel on that fire.

[–] makyo 76 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, no shit. Words can't describe how furious I am about Jan. 6 and the utter lack of accountability for the powerful people responsible for it. Including the GOP bootlickers in power at the time and still to this day.

[–] some_designer_dude 11 points 3 days ago

Whenever my rage starts to fade, I remind myself how things would have played out if it’d been Obama and his followers who’d attacked the Capitol.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Would've, could've, should've. You had several years to do it.

[–] BassTurd 57 points 3 days ago

I think if anyone is to blame, and there are people, it's not Jack Smith. I feel he's one that actually did try and got fucked at every turn by corruption and Canon.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 days ago

Look at them trying to convince us there's rule of law. Don't worry guys, the system that isn't completely corrupt to its core WOULD have worked. Source: Trust me bro.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

This memo that the DOJ prepared one time decades ago that asserts an opinion that sitting presidents cannot be prosecuted, has somehow brought us to this.

I know it's all too late to do anything remotely constructive, but if a democratically-minded AG at any time under Obama or Biden had thought, "Gee, that doesn't seem right. It's crazy to think anyone is above the law and this gives an overwhelming incentive to be evil. Let's trash and redo that memo," it's possible Trump would not have had the incentive to run again, or that the DOJ wouldn't have taken so much time to prosecute.

I just think sometimes about how many infinitesimal probabilities had to align - how dedicated and consistently wrong so many actors had to be at so many crucial decision points - to create this uniquely, thoroughly awful result.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago

Biden should have stolen something minor, like, for example, an ice cream sandwich, and the Republicans would have flopped over and ratified the bill.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They didn't align by chance. Republicans have been pushing and shoving since Nixon to get as many lined up as they can.

[–] gAlienLifeform 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wish there was some sort of organization that would push back against them, maybe like some kind of political party that emphasizes a democratic approach to politics

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Too bad we only have the Donorcratic party in the running

[–] pennomi 7 points 3 days ago

In the completely unhinged dub of the anime “Ghost Stories”, they make a throwaway joke about how Bush is stacking the courts to oppress minorities. Sad and scary how relevant that joke is 25 years later.

[–] dhork 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I always thought that memo meant something entirely different. It's not that sitting Presidents have some sort of immunity, but rather a recognition that there can never be an impartial investigation of the person who is in charge of the investigators.

Let's say that memo wasn't there, and the President was accused of some sort of crime -- but upon investigating, the DoJ decided not to press charges. Could we really ever be sure he was innocent? Woudnt the conspiracy theory always exist that the President quashed it? The proper thing to do would be to either wait until he is out of office, or appoint someone with some statutory independence, who is able to make decisions without interference. I always thought that memo was simply an attempt to preserve the integrity of the DoJ by keeping it out of an obvious conflict of interest.

Of course, the Supreme Court weighed in with their totally bonkers interpretation of it, giving the President free reign to do whatever the hell he wants. Their opinion matters more than mine, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

appoint someone with some statutory independence, who is able to make decisions without interference

That's what they did. Twice. Robert Muller and Jack Smith performed independent investigations and recommended criminal prosecution.

But then the rest of government killed it.

[–] krashmo 1 points 3 days ago

Mueller specifically did not recommend charges and Smith never finished his homework. There's certainly enough in both cases to reach the conclusion you did but that's not technically what happened in either case.

[–] Feathercrown 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ok, but he wasn't a president when he did the crime. Convict him.

[–] TrueStoryBob 21 points 3 days ago

Biden wasn't sworn in yet, Trump was still President.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Imagine believing that this racist system of violence created by literal slave masters is about justice.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago

Aw shucks, that’s a bummer. Good try though, fellas! You gave it your all and I’m sure you’ll gettem next time!

(≖_≖ )

[–] FlyingSquid 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Jack Smith better be getting him and his family the fuck out of the U.S. and to a country without an extradition treaty because their lives are worth nothing in America now.

Unfortunately, that doesn't leave him with a lot of great options.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Interesting that we don’t have a treaty with Ukraine…

[–] ClanOfTheOcho 4 points 3 days ago

I'm not saying it isn't correct, but the US having an extradition treaty with Cuba is a bit suspicious.

[–] someguy3 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can live pretty well in China. They call themselves expats when they live there.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

With what he knows? They would interrogate the fuck out of him and keep him under constant surveillance.

[–] someguy3 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Y'all thinking anything is going to happen to Jack are going to be surprised when nothing happens to him and he writes his book and gets his TV show and just coasts into retirement in a gated community.

"It's a big club and you ain't in it." but Jack and Don both are.

[–] TrueStoryBob 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, Trump would have to get pretty bored to go after Jack Smith... maybe -MAYBE- a Gaetz DOJ would have gone after him like a cat offering a dead mouse at Trump's front door, but I don't really see Trump world caring about this any longer. All the FNC talking heads have stopped, well, talking about Jack Smith.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Exactly, he served his purpose. He "prosecuted" Trump, he aired the crimes committed and purposely slow walked the investigation. Trump won a second term, Jack will now "fade into obscurity" with a book deal, tv show, and mansion.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Don't wait so long that the criminal can run and win again, before justice gets served then...

[–] jaybone 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What is the constitutional protection for sitting presidents? You mean that part in the constitution which says presidents are basically kings and they are above the law and they can do whatever they want? Oh yeah, that part. That part that totally exists and totally says that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

SCOTUS says this constitutional protections are there. We should totally trust SCOTUS. It’s not like SCOTUS is unbelievably corrupt, doing the bidding of billionaires, or trying to usher in a Conservative wet dream.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thank you Merrick Garland!

[–] KneeTitts 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would be funny now if trumps DOJ threw Garland in jail, would serve him right for not doing his job when he had the chance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I might break my schadenfreude gland.

[–] adam_y 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is nonsense. He wouldn't have been convicted and the proof for that was that he wasn't convicted.

It was never going to happen. The timing made sure of it.

A convenient excuse.

My homework would have got an A+ if I had handed it in.

[–] affiliate 3 points 3 days ago

let the records show that i did in fact do my homework. to prove this, i will release it publicly to world. pay no mind to the fact that the deadline has already passed.

[–] Olhonestjim 10 points 3 days ago

Woulda coulda shoulda

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

...and would receive no punishement

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

All this time and effort and the only person that came close to stopping this madness was Thomas Matthew Crooks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Yeah okay sure. And I’d be the Archbishop of Canterbury if it weren’t for those pesky meddling kids too right