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Rep. Annie Kuster, a 68-year-old Democrat from New Hampshire, retiring after 12 years in Congress, cites a desire to “set a better example” and create space for younger leaders.

Her decision comes amid growing public concern about aging politicians, with about a quarter of lawmakers over 70. Kuster’s successor will be Maggie Goodlander, 38.

Democrats are increasingly elevating younger leaders following setbacks in 2024, which some attribute to the perception of aging leadership, including President Biden’s controversial reelection bid.

Calls for age limits remain popular but face significant legislative hurdles.

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[–] gibmiser 104 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Calls for age limits remain popular but face significant legislative hurdles.

They are our fucking employees. We should be able to choose the terms of their employment. Seems like a pretty fundamental tenant of a fucking democracy to me.

We should have made a provision for National referendum For things like this.

[–] pjwestin 5 points 2 days ago

The problem is people like, "their," geriatric. Ed Markey is my Senator, and he says he'll be seeking reelection in two years when he'll be 80. Even though I think he's been a pretty good Senator, I want him to retire at the end of term, but I'm probably in the minority, and it will be an uphill battle to primary him if he doesn't choose to step down.

[–] CharlesDarwin 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, we cannot even stop them from insider training. Then there is the problem of all the legalized bribery....I would think age limits faces much more of an uphill battle, even without the moral quandary it poses.

[–] krashmo 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What moral quandary? No one but pedophiles complains about the fact that age minimums for certain activities exist. Cognitive function is a bell curve and old people are on the back end of it. That's just a fact of life. What is controversial about it?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (15 children)

The idea is that we choose every election.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We could have more choices if we replaced First past the post voting by passing state level electoral reform.

But then the Democrats would have to actually compete for your vote so that's a hard pass.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 9 points 3 days ago

They are our fucking employees.

Only in the same way your landlord or your bank is your employee. The positions have been monopolized by a handful of cartel brokers and the real job of administering is in the hands of corporate lackeys puffed up through billions of dollars in sales and marketing. Liberal democracy has been defanged by market forces.

We should have made a provision for National referendum For things like this.

There's no such thing as a "national referendum", legally speaking. We don't vote on legislation, just on bureaucrats. And the bureaucrats we get to vote on are selected first by the donors, then by the party, and only finally by the general electorate.

Nobody we elect has any incentive to cap the age or number of terms they hold office. Why would they vote against their collective best interests?

[–] Diplomjodler3 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It would still be age discrimination. The way to go is term limits.

[–] Feathercrown 19 points 2 days ago

If there can be a minimum age, there can be a maximum age.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

How would it be age discrimination? There are plenty of fields where you are no longer able to work at a certain age such as being a pilot or air traffic control. If we can't trust a 70 year old pilot to fly a couple hundred people then why the hell can we trust a 70 year old politican to steer the entire country with policy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Flying a plane just isn't analogous to being a politician though.

As in, if a politician has a heart attack or stroke it doesn't put hundreds of lives at a grave and imminent risk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Politicans still hold millions of lives in their hands. Sure, if they kick the bucket there can always be a replacement before any damage is done but they need to be cognizant enough to make decisions. They can't be so old that they aren't able to keep up and adapt to new things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I absolutely agree, which is why we shouldn't elect septuagenarians.

However, because there's no imminent threat to life involved, laws precluding their election would probably be discriminatory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think we're going to agree on this. I don't give a fuck if it hurts some old people's feelings. If you're over 65 you likely don't have the mental capacity to run a country and make decisions daily that affect the lives of everyone in said country. It flat out should not be a possibility for someone to make policy when they won't even be alive to see the consequences in 5-10 years. Even Bernie should not still be in congress, the man should be enjoying his retirement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Again, I agree with everything you've just said, which is why we shouldn't elect septuagenarians.

Making a law against old people holding office is a whole other thing though. Laws about who can stand is antithetical to democracy.

[–] Diplomjodler3 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no age limit for pilots. As long as you pass the health checks you can keep flying.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

https://www.faa.gov/faq/what-maximum-age-pilot-can-fly-airplane

You can keep flying, just not commercially after 65.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Reached for comment, Nancy Pelosi said "what an idiot, these are her prime grifting years!"

[–] alaphic 23 points 3 days ago

I'm still not entirely convinced that she's not a lich, tbh

[–] Boddhisatva 69 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Oh great, now the Democratic pols are going to step down to "set a good example" while their doddering GOP counterparts will lurch around until their 90s with, staffers following them around with portable defibrillators so if they die in hallway somewhere they can be revived before the next vote.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

If that means the Democratic Party starts to transform by bringing in younger, more left people while the Republicans stagnate, this could be good.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"Best we can do is younger, neoliberal folks." - Democratic Party

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Well, where are all the people voting progressives in the primary?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Younger folk tend to be more adaptable and likely more in tune with actual working class issues. So more of a chance than before at least.

[–] Boddhisatva 4 points 3 days ago

Well... I'll be damned. You've changed my mind. Thanks.

[–] givesomefucks 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

So?

It's a lot harder for their voters to excuse it when only one party does it. Which hurts them in elections.

And that's not even getting into how those geriatric politicians are a disadvantage. They have to be physically present to vote. And the majority leader could actually try to do something every day.

Eventually enough would be missing that things could be accomplished.

There's literally nothing stopping us from trying except the lack of effort from our politicians, so let's get better ones and let the Republicans keep their ineffectual ones.

What's the problem?

[–] dephyre 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

She's set to be replaced by Maggie Goodlander, a 38-year-old Democrat who most recently worked in the Department of Justice under President Joe Biden.

I don't really see any issue here.

[–] givesomefucks 21 points 3 days ago

It's better than it sounds, she announced it like 9 months ago so there was a primary for the seat.

The article is paywalled but it makes it sound like she ran in 2024 and now someone is just getting the seat, which would have been bullshit.

There's not really any issues at all here, and I can usually always find something to complain about.

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[–] chronicledmonocle 16 points 3 days ago

As long as they keep putting in replacements that's are younger, this is a good strategy. The problem would be if they lose their seats, but if it puts the GOP further out of touch with voters and pushes Democrats closer, I'm all for it.

[–] eran_morad 5 points 3 days ago

It’s progress.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 3 points 3 days ago

now the Democratic pols are going to step down to “set a good example”

Republicans used to do this as a party function. The idea of seats, particularly at the lower tiers of government, being term-limited and up-or-out helped create new opportunities for younger aspiring politicians to participate in the party and aspire towards higher office.

If your only way into the next rung of office is through a miserable primary against an entrenched incumbent or patiently waiting for a 70-year-old politician to die of old age, you've got very little reason to try and climb the ladder. But if you know each seat opens up every six to twelve years, and the line of aspiring politicians is forever moving forward, then there's a reason to be a mid-level party official competing with other mid-level party officials looking for the next opening in the rooster.

Same thing happens in business with C-level executives. You have a bunch of hungry VPs all gunning for the next President/CEO job. Then you have your CEOs/Presidents retire onto the corporate boards every few years to make room for the next crop of talent. People want to join your company at the junior level because they see a path to seniority, rather than a dead-end role doing middle management bullshit for the rest of your life.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Time to elect a 72 year old replacement!

[–] ZombieMantis 57 points 3 days ago

Thankfully, her replacement is 38.

[–] MimicJar 14 points 3 days ago

The summary of this article is misleading, and I hit a paywall before being able to read the whole article.

She announced her retirement back in March 2024, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/27/annie-kuster-retiring-house/ and did not run in the 2024 election.

This specific announcement is that one of the reasons is she is retiring is to allow younger folks a chance to lead.

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