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[–] [email protected] 85 points 20 hours ago

I just pay whatever they ask without fishing for a discount. When they offer a discount I tell them that's really not necessary and I'm happy to pay full price. But if they keep insisting, I will take the discount, not going to argue over that.

I disagree with the paying more, that could well be interpreted as offensive, as it makes it seem they need a handout. Just let them set the price and don't beg/demand/fish for a discount.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I run a construction business and I have close relatives who refuse my services because I don't take payments "under the table." Their reasoning is that I don't need to pay taxes and they get a discount. Win-win - except for that the entire risk of legal consequences is on me and secondly it's exactly because of people who do this that many of my customers have unrealistic expectations of how much it costs to hire a contractor. The dude doing it for 30€/hr is not paying taxes on that.

[–] kurikai 52 points 20 hours ago

Pay normal price. Turn down the offer of a discount, to not seem cheap. if they offer it again, take it - to not seem rude

[–] donuts 4 points 13 hours ago

I agree!

(context: in my language a "friend's price" is a saying for a good or cheap deal)

It's funny to see the look on my friends faces when I say "a friend's price, right?" and then offer them more than what it would normally cost. Usually it saves you a bunch of time or effort anyway (depending on the job), so it's a fun and nice way to reward them for their efforts.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I think this is really situational. In a store, I'd say you should pay the list price, but it's more nuanced with other types of businesses. As an example, what if your friend is a contractor, but they're a bit more expensive than a competitor, and you need work done?

If you hire the competitor, it creates an awkward situation, but you don't want to pay more. The conversation can easily go:

  • "I need someone to do this job."
  • "I'm a contractor, I can do it."
  • "Money's a little tight right now, and you're a bit more expensive than your competitor."
  • "We're friends, I'll do it for their rate."

You haven't asked you friend to give a discount, nor did you ask them to do it for free. You both did each other a favor - you got the work done at the cheaper rate, and your friend got the business that might have gone to their competitor. If the friend doesn't want to give the discount, they have an easy out: "Oh, no problem! [Competitor] does good work." On a similar token, they don't feel like you went around them.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter 10 points 19 hours ago

I think this is really situational. In a store, I'd say you should pay the list price, but it's more nuanced with other types of businesses.

Of course. If my friend is a hairdresser and makes my hair, he does not run the risk that I come back the next day and make a huge public drama because it all went bad.

So there is less risk for him. That makes it cheaper.

(I would make the drama at his home)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

How about neither?

[–] 9point6 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Pay as if you're any other customer, trying to overpay would probably come across with a tone-deaf charity vibe IMO. Your friend is likely not an idiot, they're able to set the correct price for whatever it is they're selling.

OTOH Americans just love tipping, so maybe it doesn't come across as gauche as elsewhere over there

[–] nebulaone 2 points 18 hours ago

I can see that and I agree to some degree. You should just pay the regular price. I should have phrased it as pay regular price > pay more > ask for a discount. I am not american btw, I am german.

[–] rhacer 4 points 15 hours ago

Doing business with friends is a good way to lose friends.

[–] nebulaone 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I could have phrased that better, as I think a lot of people misunderstood my point. I agree that you should pay the regular price. Edit: Also I was mainly thinking about small businesses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What if they say it's a discount and they make you pay more anyway (basically tricking you)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

That's not a friend.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I wouldn't necessarily expect a discount, but I certainly wouldn't refuse one unless I'm doing better financially than my friend (which is unlikely). Paying more than asked? I'd have to do much better financially than my friend, which is extremely unlikely.

[–] Professorozone 3 points 20 hours ago

Why are those the only two options?

[–] foggy 2 points 19 hours ago

Completely depends on the nature of that business.this completely depends on the naturevof the job.

Not bad advice, just incomplete.

[–] sir_pronoun -1 points 15 hours ago

You never steal from a friend - unless it's their spouse