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[–] capital 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nah Lemmy would be bitching about Biden not cancelling student loan debt despite Trump judges being the ones blocking it.

“Status quo” wasn’t enough to get people off their asses. Well, we’re about to see the opposite of that. Congrats.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Biden gave it a shot, got stymied, and walked away. Hey, a weak attempt is better than nothing, but we sure would have liked to see him try harder. I don't blame him for failing, but he certainly didn't give it his all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Walked away? He tried multiple angles to get at the same end goal, most of which are/were held up in court.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (15 children)

This is maybe oversimplifying things, however - I will never fully understand how somebody hears a candidate talk only about who they will hurt first, while their opposition talks about how to help the most people...and the guy who wants to increase the human suffering wins.

I mean, logically, yeah I guess I can understand. But at the same time, I will never get it. :P

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I come from an immigrant family. We came legally, sure. But the fight is the same: provide a better life and better opportunities for the next generation.

It blows my mind how someone can change this to paint the immigrant as bad. All while there are American citizen business men hiring the immigrants. Go after the business men?

I don’t get it. Wouldn’t people want to look past the place of birth and look into someone’s character? Surely a person fighting for a better life for their family is more honorable than a businessman looking to cut corners.

I’ve met conservatives with such deep hatred for “illegals” that I sincerely cannot understand where they’re coming from.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's all about fear. If the propagandists can play on your fears, you will learn to hate whoever they tell you to; but there's also greed, which essentially is the fear of not having enough/more/whatever.

You see, money was not invented to be used as currency. Nor does it represent the "value of labor" or any of that crap. Money is fear made manifest. It only exists so that you will be afraid of not having enough. Even those sociopathic billionaires we all wanna eat only get that twisted and fucked up inside, just cause they're still afraid of money, or at least that someone else might have more (I think? You have to be a completely useless shitheel to amass that much wealth).

And finally, lack of a sense of personal responsibility. So much easier if it's someone else's fault you didn't make it big.

Oh, and the hatred of a conservative will never make sense. They have imported the thoughts and ideals of another whole cloth, all because they're afraid of being on the losing team. There is no logic to such things; it's a very insidious form of brainwashing.

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[–] 2pt_perversion 83 points 2 days ago (4 children)

All of this is just a distraction anyway. It's rich vs poor always has been. We have a huge group of people that should really be allies but are brainwashed against their own interests. It's easy to say they're on the wrong side but we should really be looking to mend the divide in ways that we can rather than further it by stating how morally superior we are.

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 2 days ago (19 children)

This rich vs. poor thing would be a hell of a lot more believable if there weren't so many poor people who were gigantic fucking bigots.

How do you mend a divide between people who exist and people who hate their existence?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course rich folk will look for allies among poor folk. Play off the people against each other. This strategy is centuries old ... no wait, millennia old.

You don't mend a divide. That's pointing to the divide as the problem, when the real problem is discrimination.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 21 hours ago

No, the real problem is hatred. Bigots hate the people they are bigoted against. That is not a rich vs. poor thing. I've gotten attacked by more than one poor bigot. Plenty of people from minority communities have.

This whole idea where everyone but the rich will get together and sing kumbaya and then win the class war and create a utopia is ridiculously naive and, as far as I can think, only comes from people who have never had a bigot get into their face and hate them because of who they are.

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

Yeah but the she-devil Kamala supports post-birth abortions.

- a family member

[–] pyre 98 points 2 days ago (1 children)

they don't even fucking know what abortion means.

[–] TrickDacy 55 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I wish this was an exaggeration

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[–] inv3r510n 33 points 2 days ago

I too support post birth abortions of healthcare CEOs

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My Catholic-ass mom reads a Catholic-ass newspaper and recently told me with complete confidence that Hillary Clinton was the "partial-birth abortion queen". How do you even have a conversation with someone who's ingested so much propaganda?

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Sadly, a lot of them voted for Trump because they think he's going to "fix it". The sad thing is they just trust him to figure it out once in office.

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[–] randon31415 89 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Obama won his senate seat because his opponent had an affair. Everyone said he was too young, but then he went on to beat Hillary and McCain.

Bill Clinton won the democratic primary because everyone thought Heart was going to win, then HE had an affair. Everyone said he was too young, but then he went on to beat Bush.

Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden won their primary because "IT WAS THEIR TURN". Biden only won because Republican rigged it to suppress mail in voting, but that suppressed the wrong group in the wake of COVID. I think we all have our theories on Harris. My point: I think it is time for someone that isn't "THEIR TURN" to become our next nominee.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago

Biden won the highest turnout election in more than a century, and Al Gore's win was stolen by the Bush clique. This is gross reframing or even reimagining of events to suit your narrative.

[–] Eatspancakes84 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Al Gore is not like the others. Yes you might say he became the nominee because it was his turn. But, he also had extremely good policy ideas that were very different from “not being Trump “.

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