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[–] NeoNachtwaechter 121 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] ChicoSuave 39 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Look into Sceptre. 4K with no OS, no ads, doesn't ask for WiFi - just a TV.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It’s hard but not impossible, as even ‘retail displays’ run an OS in the background to control input switching, image settings etc.

Honestly the best thing to do is buy whatever TV you want (we have a couple of the LG OLEDs in our household), and don’t ever plug them into your network (or WiFi). Otherwise, with updates OS and apps become sluggish, with more ads crammed in.

Instead, use a seperate media player (e.g. Apple TV if you’re already on the iOS ecosystem, Nvidia Shield or similar for Android, HTPC if you’re so inclined etc.) - they’re more powerful, arguably more secure & private, and portable between displays if/when you upgrade.

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[–] random_character_a 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My current TV is clawing my firewall like squirrel with rabies. I'm sure the next one will too.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I just give smartTVs no network at all

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Please enable internet access to setup your new TV, otherwise no TV for you.

[–] teft 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then you turn around and return it. Don’t encourage that behavior by just letting it happen.

[–] EncryptKeeper 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

If your retailer has a generous enough policy to let you return an opened TV because simply because you don’t like it. I spent $1,200 on a Sony TV with backlight bleed issues that were so bad that half the screen was tinted blue. I tried to return it or get a replacement but was told by both the retailer and Sony support that half the screen being blue was “normal for LED TVs and within acceptable parameters” and to go fuck myself.

[–] teft 25 points 1 month ago (5 children)

That’s what chargebacks are for. You don’t have to rely on shitty retailers return policy.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In my Country, you can Return within 1 month if you are not satisfied.

[–] EncryptKeeper 12 points 1 month ago

Oh no I live in the U.S. we don’t really do consumer protections.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yea but here in the United States we have the Freedom™ to be ripped off with no recourse.

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[–] EncryptKeeper 52 points 1 month ago

An ad giant already owns and controls my current TV’s OS

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago

I don’t want an OS on my next TV…

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (9 children)

FYI for those using DNS-based adblocking: I discovered that my AndroidTV box asks 8.8.8.8 when my local DNS server blocks a request.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Block all port 53 traffic from your network outside of your DNS server/pihole itself.
Block all known DoH servers.

If you want to get REALLY fancy you can write a NAT rule that will force any outgoing request on port 53 to route to your dns/pihole.

I do all of this. It's actually funny to see the requests that were hardcoded to go somewhere. Giant fuck you to those companies.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

What a shower of twats. Don't block the request in that case, just redirect it to your local server that returns a 1x1 transparent png for all requests.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Depending on your router you can forward all request on port 53 to your DNS server regardless of the IP they try to use.

[–] stupidcasey 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I always have issues with dns blocking so I tried something sneaky I redirected all DNS requests to 1.1.1.1/1.0.0.1 and it worked brilliantly, for about a month when it stopped working all together, I don’t know if a cache was wiped or google saw what I was doing and made a special exception just for me, obviously I want to believe I’m a special snowflake taking the world’s largest internet company head on in an epic battle of wits and skill but I think the cache thing might be more likely for some reason.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Dang, so you'd have to block Google's DNS at the router level too?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't mind doing it. I run my own DNS so it wouldn't affect me, but I figure if they're already trying 8.8.8.8 they may as well try 8.8.4.4 and perhaps more, so it'd require a bunch of firewall rules.

Now, all of that is moot point cause I hate the whole "smart TV" thing, so they'd never be connected to the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Ehm, it is already like that. Most of smart TVs use Android which is under Google control, a big (if not the biggest) ad company.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I have an old 60 inch 1080p TV from the early days of smart tvs. It has a built in app for plex and youtube, a remote that works as a pointer, it's insanely slow but it has zero ads and I'm never ever getting a newer model.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] BroBot9000 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don’t ever connect them to the internet. Period.

If it’s required, buy a different tv. It’s not difficult to look that up beforehand.

[–] Alphane_Moon 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I suspect in the near future it will be impossible to buy a TV without spyware/adware. The only option will be to not connect it to the internet and run your own Raspberry PI/SBC based solution.

[–] BroBot9000 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Monitors aren’t being pumped full of this stuff and so won’t the premium televisions.

The super budget/sold at a loss TVs will absolutely be gutted for spyware.

[–] Alphane_Moon 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Monitors aren’t being pumped full of this stuff and so won’t the premium televisions.

I have a feeling premium TVs won't escape adware/spyware either. They can get their margin on the hardware and earn some more money on spyware; I don't see what incentive they have to not do both. I hope I am wrong though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

You’re not wrong, there are a number of videos from Louis Rossman (right to repair advocate) on YouTube lambasting LG for doing this very thing on their high-end G-series OLED TVs; including defaulting to opt-in to marketing and providing PIR data after an automatic update.

[–] EncryptKeeper 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Premium televisions are already pumped full of this stuff

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

Googles been a TV OS for a while now.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (15 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Getting increasingly hard.

I finally learned why those 50" tvs are so cheap, like $200. Buy a dumb TV that's the same size is easily 5x the price.

Then again, nobody needs a TV and I only bought one during the pandemic, then connected it to my pi hole.

[–] DampCanary 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

unfortunately,
on some markets they are gone.
"Smart" TVs have squeezed them out.

[–] billwashere 8 points 1 month ago

You can find them. Look for digital signage. And then start crying at the cost.

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[–] TheGrandNagus 16 points 1 month ago

The biggest ad giant in the world already controls my TV's OS

[–] nshibj 14 points 1 month ago

What's with the clickbait title?

This is not news, it has been happening since Smart TVs started being a thing.

One of the most common TV OSs is AndroidTV / GoogleTV. Google is the biggest ad company in the world.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Now all you need is a built-in camera to prove Orwell was right... only off by a few decades, really.

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[–] Snapz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"A convicted felon and sex offender wants to control your next country"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

normal people can't just.... grab a single board PC and... install Linux on it! What are they supposed to do!?

I dunno, suffer, I guess. Pass the keyboard. I'm feeling Friends.

edit: my cousin and his wife came over about four months ago and saw we used a keyboard and the TV was just a computer and he went "why the fuck haven't we just done that?". He doesn't know know Linux, but he has a Steam Deck and got by alright.

Sometimes, they just need the idea, a little push.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anyone know of a reasonably priced OLED/QLED, >60", 4k TV without smart features?

I really don't want the spyware and adware that come with newer smart TVs, and I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium for it. I'd also be happy with a unicorn smart TV that doesn't have any of those anti-features.

[–] surph_ninja 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What about just not connecting it to the network? Then put a video device on it like Roku or Apple tv or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

just not connecting it to the network?

Some TVs require connecting to the network to set it up, and I'm concerned TV manufacturers will get more brazen going forward. If there's a company that doesn't do this nonsense, I'd rather reward them for being good instead of working around misfeatures in popular brands.

Roku

Has ads that can be disabled, at least as-of last year. Not sure how long that'll last...

Apple TV

Apple also seems interested in ads.

Any other option will likely degrade to having ads at some point. I could probably get rid of them w/ a PiHole or something, but that could end up being a game of whack-a-mole.

I'll probably end up w/ a Raspberry Pi or something running Kodi or similar, which is really annoying because that's yet another thing I have to self-host just to avoid this stupid obsession with ads.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Seeing this just makes me want a tv that is just a monitor, no crap you just plug in your own thing whatever you want.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

What’s a TV? Is that like a monitor?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My video projector is dumb, and that's the way I like it.

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