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Biden making sure to take a massive shit on his legacy before setting it on fire. His 50 useless years in politics boiled down to his essential self: an empty suit doused in rancid cowardice
This is all very consistent with his legacy.
Here let me fix the headline for you:
US Senate ~~to vote~~ will vote no on Bernie Sanders-led effort to stop arms sales to Israel
There. That way people won't get the wrong impression, like that any of this fucking matters.
At least we'll get to see which Democratic members of the genocide caucus need primary challengers in the next election cycle. Supporting Netanyahu isn't going to get more popular as the genocide intensifies.
No we won't. I mean, you might, but no one pays attention to voting records anymore. If it even comes to a vote, no one's going to hold anyone's feet to the fire on how they vote on a bill doomed to go nowhere.
This. Is. Meaningless. I can't stress that enough.
If it's meaningless and no one will pay attention, there's no reason to object to doing it.
Well they rejected the bill. Did you really pay attention to who voted it down? Do you really care? Even if you go look it up, will it in any way change your actions moving forward? Will you vote any differently or support different candidates based on this?
Again, meaningless.
Even if they pass it, It's getting repealed right away in January. This is far too little too late.
Yep. The Trump victory means any attempt whatsoever to hold Netanyahu back is completely meaningless.
I mean they had 4 years
And now Trump has four years in which they'll start doing to the West Bank what they're doing to Gaza, and Trump will also support Russia and abandon Ukraine because he has a hardon for Putin. Trans folk will be locked up for pedophilia and pedophiles will get pardoned. Leftists will be locked up what's left of press freedom and women's rights will be abolished tariffs will push up prices and the fossil fuel industry that started the world inflation project will get free government money. But I have the feeling you're going to want to tell me more about how Harris has all the same policies as Trump or something.
It’s not going to be just four years. This is going to get real ugly real fast.
Maybe... maybe not. Letting do what they want is in line with trump. But giving money away isn't. So you never know for sure. And isreal probably has enough things stockpiled anyway.
Oh I'm all for them doing it. I'm not trying to say not to do it. If nothing else it will probably bring a lot of Arab Americans back to the Democrats. I'm just bitter because if they had told AIPAC where to go and passed it months ago then I'm pretty sure we'd have at least one swing state. And showing any kind of fire, instead of, "Things will remain the same because we don't see anything wrong with the direction of the country!", would probably have brought more people to the polls in every swing state. I can't guarantee it would have turned into a win, but it wouldn't have been a fucking rout.
Never forget the blame for trump ever becoming president in the first place was the DNC let Hillary take over while the primaries were still happening in 2015.
Her campaign literally had approval for anything the DNC said or did.
Shoving neo liberals down America's throats is just letting Republicans win. But the people running the party care more about keeping wealthy donors happy than winning elections.
We can't keep going down this path.
He filled stadiums with his message, she couldn't fill half a highscool gym. It's time for a new party on the actual left.
What's wrong with the Socialism and Liberation Party?
We don't need a new party.
We need to get the neo liberals out of leadership positions at the DNC.
We're the party of FDR, not billionaires and fossil fuel corporations.
If the goal is to remove and replace all party leadership, non-compliant party members, and administrative staff, why not just make a new party? Are you just really attached to the name on your ship of Theseus?
Changing a party from the inside when its leadership is Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton is a tough ask. When push comes to shove every democrat falls in line for the center right candidate. Including the 'progressives'.
When push comes to shove every democrat falls in line for the center right candidate.
"Democrats" aren't enough to win. We need the people who normally aren't engaged, and the most common reason they give is "both parties only care about the rich'.
Dems continually moving to the right just depresses turnout and allows Republicans to win
Including the ‘progressives’.
Buddy, progressives hold their noses and show up to vote for the least worse option. Personally I've been doing it for decades.
Progressives aren't the problem, they're some of the most politically engaged people in America.
They just get blamed by the neo liberals everytime a neoliberal loses.
Because:
We need the people who normally aren't engaged, and the most common reason they give is "both parties only care about the rich'.
Dems continually moving to the right just depresses turnout and allows Republicans to win
If the DNC wants wins elections, they need to start giving Dem voters what they want, not aiming for "slightly more than trump would do".
Doesn't matter that they should still vote D, the politically disengaged won't vote unless they want the candidate to win or the incumbent out of office.
When a moderate Dem is in office, that means Republicans win the election
It's very very important we finally learn this lesson. So I'm willing to put some time in to help you understand, even if it's incredibly frustrating explaining this for the millionth time.
I'm willing to put the time in help.
is it really that hard to change? I think if push came to shove, both of them would fall over, they're octogenarians.
We need to get the neo liberals out of leadership positions at the DNC
And how do you suggest we do that?
The same way the Tea Party primaried out moderate Republicans.
Show up and vote.
Show up and vote
The same way the Tea Party primaried out moderate Republicans.
Democrats protect centrist incumbents and ONLY centrist incumbents. When they have primaries at all.
Show up and vote.
For who you're ordered to and didn't have a say in.
We need to rebuild social capital. FDR didn't just happen by himself, he had a backing of growing labor movement, and a much more community-oriented, civically-involved America.
At this point it would be easier for the progressives in the party to show they don't approve the status quo (hahahahaha) by forming a new party (even if it means giving the keys to the White House to the Republicans) instead of trying to change the existing party from the inside.
You know why it won't happen? Because they don't mind the status quo as long as they get elected.
Stadiums don't vote. The last few weeks before the election there were several posts on lemmy about big crowds attending Haris events while Trump struggled to fill venues and bored his attendees. We now now how that turned out...
I agree - too many people mistakenly believe the Dems can be reformed into an actual leftist party. This just isn’t going to happen. They’re corrupt to the core - a center-right fundraising organization eager to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and they would rather the country burn than do anything against the wishes of their wealthy donors.
Not a US citizen here, are these open votes? Can we see what portion of democrats voted yes and no etc
Yes, you can actually see the disappointing number of so-called liberals who make a mockery of the concepts of humanitarianism, anti-racism and the rule of law.
Not if they call a voice vote. However, standard Roberts Rules says that anybody can object to the results of the voice vote and then it goes to actually recording things. Voice votes are meant to move things along when it's obvious a vast majority are in favor, not hide who is trying to pull something.