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US Senate to vote on Bernie Sanders-led effort to stop arms sales to Israel
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Changing a party from the inside when its leadership is Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton is a tough ask. When push comes to shove every democrat falls in line for the center right candidate. Including the 'progressives'.
"Democrats" aren't enough to win. We need the people who normally aren't engaged, and the most common reason they give is "both parties only care about the rich'.
Dems continually moving to the right just depresses turnout and allows Republicans to win
Buddy, progressives hold their noses and show up to vote for the least worse option. Personally I've been doing it for decades.
Progressives aren't the problem, they're some of the most politically engaged people in America.
They just get blamed by the neo liberals everytime a neoliberal loses.
Because:
If the DNC wants wins elections, they need to start giving Dem voters what they want, not aiming for "slightly more than trump would do".
Doesn't matter that they should still vote D, the politically disengaged won't vote unless they want the candidate to win or the incumbent out of office.
When a moderate Dem is in office, that means Republicans win the election
It's very very important we finally learn this lesson. So I'm willing to put some time in to help you understand, even if it's incredibly frustrating explaining this for the millionth time.
I'm willing to put the time in help.
Rewarding Democrats bad behavior is what got you into this mess.
No, neoliberals and Republicans working together to destroy campaign fundraising regulations is what led us down this path.
The wealthy just buy both parties now in the primary so they don't have to even worry about the general.
Not holding our noses and voting for the least worse option just means the Republican wins the general. That won't make the DNC change the type of candidate they run, they'd rather lose to a Republican and keep their positions at the DNC.
So we try to fix things in the primary by getting a progressive.
If we cant then in the general, we still vote D to mitigate the amount of damage.
Like, that's not just what I do, it's what literally every progressive I know in real life has been doing for decades now.
What have you been doing if not that?
By holding your nose instead of organizing around alternatives you are perpetuating the crisis.
Or as Briahna Joy Gray worded more aptly yesterday;
The irony that you can't see she's saying the same thing I am is too much bub
If you really think me and her are disagreeing, then me repeatedly explaining this won't help anyone
My advice would be asking someone else for assistance, maybe how I'm explaining it is the problem. But I don't think it is.
Edit:
So no one else has to click on a twitter link:
When election day rolled around, she still did the same as me:
Advocating for mitigating damage when that was the only other option.
When talking about next election, she says we need a better candidate. Same thing I've been saying.
Like, I understand that we agree, but trying to get you to understand that has been insanely frustrating
....
https://x.com/briebriejoy/status/1853879761077944576
is it really that hard to change? I think if push came to shove, both of them would fall over, they're octogenarians.