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Here's a copy and paste from the 1933 article:

Rise in Stocks Reflects Confidence He Will Not Disrupt Nation's Affairs

Berlin is settling down to pass judgment on political developments. Politicians, economists and bankers declare there is usually wide discrepancy between the speeches of opposition politicians and the actions of the group when it gains power.

Consequently, it is not believed that Hitler will accomplish a change in the constitution or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates. The government wants to obtain an adjournment of the Reichstag for several months, but it is questionable whether the Centre [Party] will approve of such action.

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[–] Shadywack 7 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

This unpacks on so many levels, so let's take the awful view of how it impacted ONLY the monetary policy, and not factor in the holocaust and millions dead....and erosion of civil liberties, dismantling of democratic institutions, and the bypass of the parliament....let's just say look at it from that statement "considerable gains in stocks" that supposedly indicated good times were ahead under the new government.

The US depression reached global markets and brought everything down, while also the massive fucking war tanked Germany's economy under the war machine strain.

Leave it to investors to make awful miscalculations over and over, then amazingly, we still listen to those fuckers a hundred years later after repeated miscalculations and massive financial ruination. But hey, around 500 people got shit rich so fuck it, yaaaaaay capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 minutes ago

The one thing I also find really fucked is how the r/Austrian_economics on reddit even genuinely believe the quote by Thomas Sowell that just because businesses fail at shit, doesn't mean the government will do a better job...

Like fucking hell! Even when governments fail at doing stuff (and not all government programs are successful, I know) their failures are accountable to the public. If a private health insurance agency has their death panels (and I mean ACTUAL death panels. They exist in the private sector FAR MORE than any public health agency ever) end up never paying out or delaying payouts until the claimant is dead (and thus doesn't need the money anymore... so why give it out?) This is somehow OK... and the company will never be forced to answer for why their system sucks so hard at providing healthcare.

I live in Canada and we have an increasingly privatized system. I had to go on sick leave and I needed at least 6 months to recover. I got a doctor's note who never signed anything like what I was asking for and simply thought that he could sign in for a month and then it can be renewed every month. Guess what? My company used a private healthcare insurance for handling stuff like this. When I got renewals they didn't care. They said that because my first doctor did not word his statement correctly they would support only one month, and any time I spend on sick leave beyond that is entirely unpaid. The amount of shit and paperwork they asked for absolutely shocked all the doctors I worked with and they outright said that what they were doing was outright illegal and a major human rights violation... but they went on anyone with their shit, asking for more and more private information solely so they can find stuff to deny. Claiming I do not have the conditions I claim I have despite multiple confirmations from multiple independent medical professionals.

That experience filled me with an undying hatred of private healthcare and private healthcare insurance.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 2 points 30 minutes ago

FBI Sees No Clear Link to Russia

[–] [email protected] 0 points 29 minutes ago

wow, a lot of people in this thread really don't like Jewish people.

hate on Israel for what they are doing, but don't blame the Jewish people who aren't asking for it. Seems like they got excited their Fuhrer was mentioned.

[–] LovableSidekick 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Good things about Hitler:

  1. He killed Hitler.
[–] samus12345 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 28 minutes ago

He DID NOT MAKE THE AUTOBAHN!

Holy shit, The Nazis did NOT have anything to do with its original conception and building. They even hated it and didn't care much for actually doing much of it. There are more links from articles posted online as early as 1995, but I cannot find them right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Drastically ahead of its time. As in, only one percent of citizens had a car back then. So apart from being war preparations, the Autobahn wasn't a sensible project at this point in time.

[–] Klear 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)
  1. Killed the guy who was trying to kill Hitler's assassin right while he was killing him.
[–] _stranger_ 2 points 1 hour ago

Also killed Hitlers dog. I mean sure, literally a Nazi dog, but still, I want to believe the dog was innocent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago
  1. Also killed the guy that tried to kill that guy
[–] [email protected] 142 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (30 children)

If anyone asks how the Germans could elect a wannabe autocrat populist and how many people could ignore clear signs of genocide going on.

Now you know.

Edit

A lot of people commenting about either my observation not being astute enough, or misinterpreting history in one way or another.

My observation is solely about and how these things happen it's not very conspirational nor institutional, just weaponized anxiety, populism, polarity and apathy.

The particular brand of ideology, or the identity of the perpetrator does very little for the equation. People being selfish and wilfully ignorant as long as they are pandered to.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes -1 points 2 hours ago

No, we don't know. It makes less sense than it ever did seeing it play out in real time.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We've been watching fascists pile into legislatures from Russia to the UK for decades. It's cute to make everything about Hitler, but this isn't an event unique to '33.

  • Fearmomgering over migrants
  • Secular violence encouraged by colonial powers
  • Stagnating global economies and bottlenecks in critical resources
  • Anti-colonialism in the third world
  • Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party

You can find historical parallels in the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Irish Troubles, Modi's rise in India and the Nixon/Reagan reaction to the US civil rights movement, the military coups in Guatemala and El Salvador, the dictatorships of South Korea and South Vietnam...

There's deeper historical roots to Trumpism than just "America made another oopsie cause we're dumb-dumbs"

[–] Dasus 26 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Sure yeah.

The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator. And now, almost 100 years later, it's looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well. I don't know about you, but I'm generally slightly afraid, and I'm not even American.

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[–] GuyDudeman 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party

Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler's rise to power, but Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis against the Liberals. Why? Hmmmm... Guess we'll never know?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 1 points 3 hours ago

Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler’s rise to power

By all voting for Hindeburg, the guy who ordered the police to assassinate Rosa Luxembourg?

Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis

Hindenburg thought it was more beneficial for the Conservatives to support the Nazis.

Stalin was the Boogeyman Hindenburg used to justify a fascist government. Purging the Nazis in 1933 was as important to him as it was in 1919.

Twice, Hindenburg sided with fascists to demolish any kind of civil socialist reform in his country. Twice "evil Russians" got the blame for a domestic slaughter.

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[–] enbyecho 66 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No no no this time is different.

/s

[–] SPRUNT 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, this time English is their native language.

[–] enbyecho 19 points 1 day ago

Are you sure? It's not always clear.

[–] TheEighthDoctor 136 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

NYT are notorious genocide deniers and otherwise apologists though... always have been since at least 1930s.

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[–] Iheartcheese 163 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

...the worst impulses of Hitler and the Nazis could be "controlled" or "tamed" once they bore responsibility for leading the national government (rather than criticizing others' administration of it).

I'm sure it'll be different this time around /s

[–] FlyingSquid 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And my Jewish mother still thinks we're making a mistake by fleeing.

And this being despite her knowing that my father's mother had to get her mother-in-law out of Nazi Germany by sheer force of will and determination in the 1930s, but not without sewing the few valuables she had remaining that the Nazis hadn't seized into her coat.

If my dad was alive, he'd be helping us pack.

[–] ComradeMiao -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Jewish mother still thinks we’re making a mistake by fleeing

fleeing where...?

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The UK where I have dual citizenship. And before you start telling me how awful the UK is for queer people, they're banning conversion therapy and schools do not tolerate bullying queer kids.

[–] ComradeMiao 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why're you fleeing the US for being Jewish? Have you been influenced by MSM lying about an increase in antisemitism as anti-Palestinian rhetoric?

And before you start telling me how awful the UK is for queer people, they’re banning conversion therapy and schools do not tolerate bullying queer kids.

Who said anything about queer people?

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Why’re you fleeing the US for being Jewish?

I'm not. I'm fleeing the U.S. because my daughter is queer and going to a country which is banning conversion therapy and which has a zero tolerance policy in schools for bullying queer people.

My wife is also a librarian, who they are trying to imprison for corrupting the youth.

Maybe you should have asked me why I was fleeing in the first place.

And no, I don't want to hear from you how Trump isn't actually going to be that bad.

[–] ComradeMiao -1 points 41 minutes ago (2 children)

That’s literally the first and only thing I asked you, you only mentioned Jewish. Why would you say that if it wasn’t relevant lol

[–] Goodmorningsunshine 1 points 8 minutes ago

It seems likely they mean that their mother cannot see the signs of coming fascism and danger even though, as a Jewish person who was close to the Holocaust experience, these should be quite obvious. The population under most immediate threat doesn't have to be Jews for Jewish people to A) still have characteristics of themselves or loved ones that would make them targets and/or B) not want to live under a fascist regime so reminiscent of Hitler's Germany.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 20 minutes ago

This is the relevant part:

And this being despite her knowing that my father’s mother had to get her mother-in-law out of Nazi Germany by sheer force of will and determination in the 1930s, but not without sewing the few valuables she had remaining that the Nazis hadn’t seized into her coat.

You do understand that the Jewish part was necessary as context to explain that, right?

[–] kokesh 81 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not the same! Hitler tried to overthrow the government with Beerhall Coup before! Wait....

[–] brucethemoose 2 points 3 hours ago

Beerhall Coup

I was not aware of this.

Wonderful...

[–] elbucho 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Man. The writers for this timeline really are lazy pieces of shit. How can they just reuse the same stale plot line and continue to collect paychecks? This show has really gone downhill.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

6/10 simulation some events repeat and there's people with too many gems while there's players who are stuck at the "job" minigame

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[–] RonnyZittledong 97 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ignore the curbing of your own freedoms! We are stomping on the necks of the people you irrationally fear and that is all that matters! History does not repeat but boy does it rhyme.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Julius Caesar elected Praetor. Trade up in the imperial forums. Gauls are poisoning the blood of Rome.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind 72 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Hear that guys? Everything is going ho be fiiiiiine! We're safe in Hitlers hands. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm quite rich. I have a ticket aboard an airship. I'm sure you've never heard of a zepplin. It's like an air balloon, but way cooler. It's called the "Hindenburg"!

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[–] Sanctus 45 points 1 day ago

Yeah its not gonna be okay

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