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Online Gaming Platforms And YouTube Will Also Seemingly Be Banned For Aussies Under 16
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This will never work. YouTube is a part of education now.
this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2024
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Maybe that explains democracy falling apart everywhere
There are tons of highly educational YouTube channels, and traditional media has completely abandoned that kind of content. The average YouTube video has more educational content than "The Learning Channel." And you are more likely to get accurate information about history than "The History Channel"
This is a boomer take.
What you say is true, but also ignores the alt-right pipelining that YouTube and others are seemingly complicit in, or at the very least is the result of perverse incentives.
And I'll say the exact same thing about TikTok. It's serving as primary sources for many problems around the world, it's giving more broad and informed, collegiate level discussions of the world, and it's full of brainrotting limbic hijacking. All true and I don't think any generation is fully equipped to deal it.
We can also see historically that banning a "vice" has never effectively removed the vice from society.
Yes the acquiescence of all editorial and publishing decisions by these tech companies to "the algorithm" (which somehow absolves them of responsibility) is the main culprit there.
These platforms are more like radio infrastructure or TV infrastructure than any particular channel, and for the most part anything they specifically promote and fund doesn't tend to be that alt right content which is completely algorithm driven and ad/sponsor/dark money supported.
We need to employ nuance when discussing these platforms.
They said "a part of" not the sole providers of. Also there is tons of education content on YouTube. I have learned so much from YouTube. It's actually a really great place to go if you are looking to learn a new skill.
Maybe that hasn't been your experience with it but that's what I use it for the majority of the time.
My entire subscription feed is hundreds of edutainment channels pretty much. It's my alternative to the discovery/history/science channel for the modern age (and tbh it's higher quality too in many cases)
It's also really really good for learning practical skills like home repairs and automotive maintenance.
Some favorite channels:
Nilered
Styropyro
Practical engineering
Technology Connections
Breaking taps
The thought emporium
I have learned a lot from YT, it's a really good plataform for that. Languages, programming electronics, and the list goes on... that was my YT experience during the 2010s. But there is also a lot of bs out there, maybe fuled by monetization, extreme groups or just because mankind is stupid at its core, that is purely aimed to diffuse nonsense, catch peoples attention or plainly influence people views.
Where I live, revisionism is teach at schools as if it is the real thing. "A part" sometimes is enough.
My comment was originally thought more as a joke than as a real complaint, but in all seriousness, YT has become an extremely good tool both to learn and to influence people. I understand that "regulating it" would be also another double edged sword, but something has to be done.
Does this mean a rise in single player and couch-coop games? 🤩
Might I add: they also are finished day one with no massive 70gb patches to fix a slew of problems.
... Yeah, about that.
The vast majority of the industry kind of... forgot... how to do that.
Also basically every big name single player game requires an online account to work.
I'd would not expect either of those things to change.
Maybe Australian kids can learn how to emulate retro games?
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Of course one could also make the effort and instead force these platforms to provide actually useful parental supervision,guidance and parental information. But a blanked bann of course is far easier and much more catchy.
So the 14 year old that moved overseas/away can no longer legally play a game free for 6year and above in a private lobby. Neither can a 12 year old play with his divorced dad living out of state,even when they play a coop without any interaction with third parties.
All educational resources on YouTube? No longer available. Renowned youth programs from outside Australia? No longer available.
Even parents who let their kids use responsible to make sure they slowly adapt to social media are now criminalised. Getting your 13 year old a Facebook accounts have full control of so it can be member in two closed groups (local clubs) and chat with relatives? Nope,not possible.
Technically even using WhatsApp or Matrix can fall under this ban,btw.
Because it's wording is so bad.
- The sole or primary purpose of the service is to enable online social interaction between two or more end users;
- The service allows end users to link to, or interact with, some or all of the other end users;
The first two rules basically just mean no one can interact. A version of YouTube could exist within these rules.
- The service allows end users to post material on the service.
So that's basically the Internet. You can't visit Rotten Tomatoes for film reviews. Maybe you only show the critics score. But aren't they also end users? How about a newspaper? Newspaper has an opinion section. How many opinion writers can you have?
All children must now be locked alone in a windowless room and fed via robot until the age of 16 for their own safety. ~/s if that isn't obvious. But seriously I thought US conservitives were draconian.~
Nanny State. Been saying it.
are you under 16
no
ok cool here's a youtube short when an AI voice tells you an AI-written story over vaguely related stock footage
The planet is fucking melting and elected leaders are writing laws on herding cats
I've been using the internet for longer than I've been an adult.
I still sometimes add +10 years to date of birth fields out of habit.
Might as well have issued a mandate to nom a spoonful of sand daily.
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Not everyday I'm on the fuck you got mine side of the argument
To the "can't enforce this because it can be circumvented" argument - this is missing the point of most laws. The intention is to apply to the majority, not to be foolproof. Getting most to stop a harmful behavior already gets us most of the benefits. We can never stop everyone.
Ok, and how will it be enforced at all?
Hopefully it'll just be a "Are you over 16?" box.
Digital ID sounds fucking disastrous.
And that is the thinly veiled real goal here. If you need a proper age verification process on most platforms, you need an identification process on most platforms. And that conveniently allows to associate everything you do on every platform to you personally. So if the government doesn't like what you do, they can oppress you more easily.
It'll be more than a question. But again, how will Australia enforce that? Even if Australia provided a free API for age checks, it would still be a hassle to implement it. Are eg Fediverse devs going to do that?
Australian law enforcement can seize servers that are physically in Australia. It can also cut off cash flow for any business with paying customers in Australia. And all the rest? Even aside from free VPNs, there is a lot of internet that they can't touch.
They can lean on the likes of Youtube or Facebook to steer people in a more government approved direction. But as soon as people become annoyed or bored, they just go elsewhere beyond government control. If ID requirements are onerous for ordinary people, they will avoid compliant sites from the start.
The government could make Australian ISPs use a blacklist or a whitelist. Serious enforcement is possible, but not without going full totalitarian.
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How?
According to the 3 criteria mentioned in the article, YouTube wouldn't need to be banned, logging in to YouTube would be banned. YouTube is still functional (mostly) when logged out, and wouldn't violate those 3 criteria. The other services mentioned, like gaming, would be banned.
Back to LAN parties? Because those were pretty fun to be honest...
In a city, maybe, though some Australians live on pretty remote farms. Going to be hard to set up a LAN with your buddies down the street.
kagis for discussion
https://flemmingbojensen.com/2007/08/07/the-australian-outback/
Stations (Australian for a ranch/farm) in the Outback are absolutely huge and the nearest neighbor is usually hundreds of kilometers away. People stay in touch through satellite phones, internet, cb radio and kids get their education long distance through the brilliant School of the Air.
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This kills the crab.
watch this space, australia is the testing ground for new services overseas. If this rolls out effectively in Australia, you can expect it in your own country soon.
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