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ID: Bold multicoloured text "Be the reason why a fascist feels excluded, shunned, discarded, unsafe, and worthless."

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[–] TotallynotJessica 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let them know they'll be welcome once they stop being fascists. The only good fascist is a dead one, but killing fascists isn't the only way to get rid of them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

This 100%.

Sometimes you can be the hug they never got when they were a little kid and their fuckhead dad beat them instead of letting them be gay (or whatever authentic self got crushed).

I'm not saying you should put a huge amount of work into this but sometimes being kind and meeting someone where they're at even if they're super wrong does more to break the mold than to be a dickhead back. These people have a lot of experience doubling down to resistance, and if you surprise them with kindness it can shake up the whole setting.

That said, if you're kind and try to teach them, and they're still bastards/non-receptive, then move on and change the minds you can. Don't waste your time on people that don't want it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

I am :( but they keep telling me we need fascism to get rid of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Be the reason why a fascist feels unsafe.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd been needing some new weightlifting motivation, and this is so it

[–] BreadOven 2 points 1 month ago
[–] TheBat 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Excluded?

Bro they have all the power in USA.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Someone who has to push others down to raise themselves up has no power at all

[–] TheBat 2 points 1 month ago

Not a great quote to use about a country with largest air force and navy...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

So low-strata fascists are typically like low strata cultists^†^ in that they're typically drawn in by neo-nazis (or whoever) giving an ounce of regard to them when they're alone and socially isolated. The indoctrination and costly identity markers follow.

At least this is my take based on stories I've heard from those who have escaped hate groups, militant groups and dangerous NRMs. Transition from membership to outsider (optimally involved in more benign social groups) is difficult and takes a while.

That said, fascists are dangerous both by being politically active (in the US, politically active in a system where safety checks have been stripped away or subverted) and by being violent or engaging in direct action. And in these cases, doing what is necessary to stop them can qualify as self-defense.

† As a cult researcher, I feel the need to define this, since cult is a loaded word. By low-strata cultist I mean a low-rung member of a dangerous NRM or seller from an MLM.

[–] snottrockett 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I find this depressing. The only thing this world isn't really trying these days is to reach out and be there for people almost unconditionally. It's lame, but, we still need to be the change we want to see in the world. The less light there is in the tunnel. the darker it gets.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Reach out to unforgivable, unredeemable sociopaths?

[–] Burn_The_Right 7 points 1 month ago

A conservative sees empathy as a weakness. Save your light for those who will value it.

[–] BreadOven 2 points 1 month ago

I really did used to think like this. Like, what would make a person adopt such an ignorant stance such as fascism, racism, etc. I used to feel sorry for them.

It's just been too much lately. I don't feel sorry for them anymore. They are in the wrong and should know it. They should feel unsafe regurgitating the foul rhetoric they believe. It used to be (at least somewhat) that way.

I'm not even American, but everyone is feeling the repercussions of this travesty we all witnessed on Tuesday. It's not direct repercussions, but soon will.

Jesus wept (I'm not a Christian).

[–] cuchilloc 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

When your friend has an addiction, you try to support him to quit. If a friend turns into a fascist , you should support him to quit, exclusion will only make him more extremist :(

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Excluding them is how you force them to quit. But you need to not just exclude them from your group; you must also prevent them from joining other fascists. Make them rightly feel that fascism leads to being alone.

[–] candybrie 2 points 1 month ago

How do you do that? Unless they're your kid, you don't usually have that kind of control over another person.

[–] EndlessApollo 0 points 1 month ago
[–] EndlessApollo 10 points 1 month ago

No, if you're a fascist you deserve only horrible things and no redemption, period :3

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But I like excluding people because it creates a strong sense of unity and identity within my group, making me feel superior and distinct. This gives me a sense of control and power, which is deeply satisfying, and it simplifies the world into clear categories of "us" versus "them," providing comfort and certainty in an otherwise complex and chaotic environment.

Edit: plus, I can't relate to fascists at all

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago
[–] captainlezbian 8 points 1 month ago

I actually have been that in the past year. Helped organize his victims to kick him out of a local community.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago
[–] garbagebagel 5 points 1 month ago

I'm getting emotional whiplash from the amount my emotions go from "fuck them all violence is the only answer" to "you should keep an open door for when their faces are undoubtedly eaten by leopards and need help"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I can't find it anymore, but I remember enough to say that that's not what it was labeled on textstudio.com lol