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I lived thru 9/11 and 2016.

For over 20 years everytime a republican became president I've been told we'll never have another election.

Maybe this time the wolf is real, but it's a basic part of human psychology that more and more people will stop having a fear response everytime they hear "wolf".

If we really don't have an election in 2028, we'll have a civil war before 2032. Maybe what comes after will be better than what we have now.

It sucks to live in interesting times, but that's what's happening.

This is literally the day after the election, don't fucking tell me it's too late to plan how to fix shit for 2028

Don't you worry, you'll have an election. Even the Germans had elections during their darkest times. That doesn't mean you'll have a choice though.

Only hard for those as incompetent as the dnc

It won't. If there's anything I've learned, it's that a large majority of the Democratic Party voter base is just as dumb and addicted to propoganda as the GOP's. The people who are so happy to call anyone with a genuine critique a Russian shill, who believed that Biden had to lead the ticket "no matter what," who cheered when Harris went further right to snap up conservative voters; these people also treat politics like a sport and think their side can do no wrong. They feel smug and superior because "they're not dumb enough to vote for Trump," as if that makes them immune to propoganda.

My plan is to leave. Maybe other countries have a chance still, but the U.S. does not.

Exactly. They'd rather lose with their chosen candidate than win with ours.

The beatings will continue until morale improves

Exactly.

Harris was dead last on my preferred candidate list in 2020, and it had nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with how little I trusted her due to her background as a cop. And she got hammered in the primaries that year, so I'm certainly not alone. I didn't like her performance as VP (she had a pretty poor public opinion score up until she became the candidate for Pres), and she certainly didn't convince me that she had any interesting policies this time around.

Likewise for Hillary Clinton. She was dead last on my preferred candidate list long before she won the nomination, and she didn't get any better after winning.

In both 2016 and 2024, I voted for a third party because neither major candidate interested me (and it didn't matter because Trump won my state by ~20% in each election anyway). I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who would have voted Democrat didn't bother voting or voted for a third party because they found her uninteresting. Her policies suck, her campaign sucked, and she has pretty much no charisma. It has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being a crappy candidate.

So my vote is on a mixture of:

• no real primary, just a candidate switch (feels very undemocratic)
• poor, vague policies, especially on the issues people seem to care about most (inflation)
• very little charisma
• weird obsession with getting celeb endorsements instead of appealing to the average person

Being female doesn't register at all.

It would be foolish to say that gender wasn't a factor, but I don't think it was the deciding factor.

I don't think Hillary Clinton was rejected primarily because she was a woman but primarily because she was about as establishment as it gets in an election that was shaping up early on as an anti-establishment election.