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When people are way too smug about their wrong answer.

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[–] NotGeorge 117 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's Noah way God would do something like that.

[–] Lemmylefty 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No way? Yahweh.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't understand why people say "I trust God". He had his own son nailed to a cross, FFS.

People in the middle ages got it right. "I do what God tells me because he scares the crap out of me."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I've been reading through the old stories for the first time in my life, and in my view, you can only read them through the lens of a series of allegorical lessons intended to warn about consequences that do take place in the real world, and those consequences can be beyond lethal.

History will wipe your entire bloodline out if you make bad enough mistakes. Ask the Hitlers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That’s the way they were taught to me, but I’m starting to think I was pretty lucky with my schools/parish. There was no sex ed though so not that lucky.

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[–] VubDapple 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not only hasn't read the bible. Also hasn't seen The Ten Commandments which definitely shows god creating a deadly plague. Charlton Heston would like a word.

[–] lamentforicarus 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Or Prince of Egypt which has one of the best soundtracks and great animation. I'm not a Christian but even I know about the damn plague that got those little Egyptian kids.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Hell, not only does YHWH kill many innocent children, a big part of the story is how he literally brainwashes the pharaoh to have an excuse to do so. YHWH explicitly "hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him"

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[–] Lemmylefty 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or seen The Prince of Egypt. “The Plagues” is one of the best tracks on a hell of a soundtrack.

[–] BornVolcano 8 points 1 year ago

I send a pestilence, a plague

[–] FlashMobOfOne 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That's the beauty of Christianity.

The Bible is so full of contradictions that you can get it to fit any worldview you want.

[–] kromem 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Only if simultaneously being willfully obtuse and ignorant.

For example, in Mark, Matthew, and Luke, Jesus forbids those going out to minister from brining a purse or money.

This necessarily prevents monetary collections.

So why is the church okay with taking your money today?

In part, rationalized by Paul's arguments in 1 Cor 9 against the earlier Christian community there that don't think it's appropriate to profiteer off ministering.

But then even more, at the last supper in Luke, Jesus explicitly says "Hey guys, remember when I said not to carry purses? Let's reverse that and now definitely carry purses."

Except this addition to the last super in Luke-Acts is missing in Marcion's version of that gospel, which is probably preserving the earliest extant version of it.

So while yes, you could in theory fit Jesus in the NT to agree with Paul that churches and those ministering have a right to profit from it and should definitely collect money from people (like they do in Acts 5 where an older couple who holds back money are both struck dead before Peter) - an even halfway critical eye should see that the historical Jesus was far more likely to have been against such practices given the widespread accounts of his ban, the earlier attitudes in Corinth, its embarrassing nature to be added in after already collecting money, and the late nature of the reversal.

And to see that much like biological evolution, ideas evolve over time too, and the version of Christianity we have today isn't necessarily the one closest to the original form, but simply the form that was most adaptive through the fall of the Jerusalem temple, the endorsement of Rome, etc.

So yes, few people might know or see it this way, but that is largely because they don't bother looking into their preconceptions and would rather believe a superficial picture that agrees with what they think they know (and I'm not only talking about Christians here either).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Except the one that actually makes the world a better place.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Tattoos are a sin."

"Dad, you have a tattoo."

"Yeah, but Jesus forgave me."

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I kind of want a "Leviticus 19:28" tattoo, but a bunch of idiot Christians will think I'm one of them.

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[–] Sarcastik 30 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This coming from the politician having orgies and cheating on her husband with her CrossFit gym owner.

I could give a shit, but the hypocrisy is real.

Exodus 20:17

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

MTG a cheater? No way, I always thought she was a woman of faith. SMH ... /s

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[–] assassin_aragorn 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

having orgies

I'm charging you for the mental bleach I now need.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If god created humans, then anything that humans do is technically god's fault... isn't it?

[–] BlackPenguins 31 points 1 year ago

Nah, that's Section 230 where the creator isn't responsible for what its users do.

[–] SeanT 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah, they have that covered with the free will clause.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Or it's the work of Satan, who doesn't actually have free will, but get to do evil things because otherwise you'd be blaming god for killing a bunch of people. Although, in the one place where Satan is doing things in the bible, it's god that does all the killing.

god kills Job's family so that he can brag to Satan about how much Job loves him.

[–] lachs 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Something something mysterious ways.

Like that U2 song.

[–] SCB 5 points 1 year ago

Now you're getting into Calvinist territory lol

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

no no don't you see that's a facile argument? sky daddy gave us free will to do evil so we had to choose him because... that is... because there... uhm

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[–] Saneless 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If God and Satan each held out a hand and said "come with me, I'll keep you safe and totally won't kill you"

I'm going with Satan. Way better odds

[–] Oderus 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll always think of Jim Jefferies on this topic.

The bible, that’s god book, as far as I know the devil hasn’t brought out a book yet, haven’t heard his side of the argument. God’s just writing shit about him, and the devil’s being the bigger man and saying I’m not even going to comment, talking shit about me like that.

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[–] Diprount_Tomato 12 points 1 year ago

The ten plagues of Egypt:

[–] ArgentRaven 11 points 1 year ago

Someone needs to rewatch the documentary "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

[–] Cybermass 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that's because she is Lilith

[–] Piecemakers3Dprints 23 points 1 year ago

Hey, you be nice to Lilith. This sloppy excuse for a fetid meatsac calling itself MTG has nothing on the Mother of Monsters.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Wait til she hears about cancer

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, He over that phase now, was kind of childish to begin with. Now it's "why make a deadly plague, if the chinese are going to do it anyway?"

[–] III 9 points 1 year ago

God works in mysterious ways.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That is a false dichotomy. If God did not create COVID, it's not necessarily a bioweapon. It could still be an accidental lab escape or a naturally evolved disease, for example.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For some reason the only way can interpret this is she's saying the bubonic plague was a bio weapon... Or any other plague in history, including the ones "God" takes responsibility for in the Bible.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Oh come on, he only killed a couple of million.

I mean, it's more than I've managed, but he's no Stalin.

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