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[–] masquenox 94 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You know, in some ways, I appreciate Musk. He has gone out of his way to demonstrate, for all to see, how billionaire parasites get to fail upward no matter how irredeemably incompetent and vile they happen to be.

Scumwads like gates and Bezos hides it all behind walls of pr propaganda, but not Musk.

I wonder what a cyberguillotine would look like.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Cyberguillotine is the door of the Cybertruck's trunk, which famously has no sensor to block closing it when something is in the way, and is powerful and sharp enough to cut fingers.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It can sense when something's blocking it from closing all the way. It was just foolishly programmed to only pop back open a few times. Think it was the third or fourth was where it went into guillotine mode.

[–] pyre 6 points 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure that was after an update and the original release did not give a shit

[–] pennomi 90 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

We gotta stop calling software updates recalls. Yeah I get that it’s fun to bash on the Cybertruck but this isn’t really that interesting.

Now that sticky accelerator pedal… yikes.

[–] [email protected] 153 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Recall is a legal term for the car industry which includes stuff like reporting obligations. So if the defect meets the severity level of a recall it should be called as such, even if it is 'just' a software update. Ambiguous terms for safety violations are dangerous and may cost lives.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Recall is also the plural term for a group of Cybertrucks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bruh, if this platform had gold id give.

Take these instead: 🪙🪙🪙

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[–] XeroxCool 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Rear view cameras have been federally required on passenger vehicles since module year 2018 in the US market. So yeah, regardless of the error, it's a recall because the result makes the vehicle noncompliant.

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[–] bladerunnerspider 41 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Yeah..... But these are multi-ton vehicles and when they crash people die. Unlike when your computer crashes.

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[–] IphtashuFitz 38 points 2 months ago

I’ve had software recalls for Toyotas and Hondas, both of which involved physical recall paperwork and required me to visit a dealer to install the new software.

Just because a software recall can be remedied over the air it doesn’t make it any less of a recall. As others have said, there’s a legal definition to a recall. They are issued by the NHTSA and require specific legal responses from the manufacturer.

[–] MimicJar 15 points 2 months ago

On the one hand I agree, but also just because it can be fixed over the air doesn't mean it's not a major problem.

Plus imagine if a car manufacturer put VERY shitty software into their cars. If a manufacturer has 100 recalls a year, I want to know why. If they have 1, I want to know why.

Just because they are more easily fixed, doesn't mean the recall isn't important.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are also plenty of dumb, nearly inconsequential recalls on regular cars too. Including things like "place this warning sticker in your manual". That's a recall.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

If the vehicle was sold broken and has to be fixed, it’s a recall.

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[–] ccunning 43 points 2 months ago (16 children)

You can tell Elon is a genius because he gets people to pay to do prototype testing for him.

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[–] Mercuri 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Tesla ~~engineers~~ managers treating it like software. "Ship it and we can patch it in production."

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You know it's never the engineers and always the managers even with software, right?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

always the managers even with software

You know, I want this to be 100% true, but it's not.

I've been in software development for over a decade and while the managers are definitely high up there on the list of causing problems, I've also worked with enough shitty developers that don't care enough. Then not everyone provides the same level of code review, some people are pretty bad at it and just rubber stamp things, and then a problem gets through.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

One of these days, an engineer, the best and the brightest of us, will invent a way for it to be technically impossible to fix in production. They will be a hero, and save hundreds of companies from bad decisions, and they will never become famous or wealthy for it.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

As much as I think the cybertruck is a stupid vehicle and agree that teslas are built like shit, from what I understand this isn't an atypical amount of recalls for a new vehicle platform.

Without even paying much attention the two I know of, the gas pedal and the finger slicer are unacceptable however.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What’s funny to me is there is nothing new in it. It’s trumped up garbage. It still has a chassis and 4 wheels. Nothing new. It’s stuffed with old tech that doesn’t work. These losers are guinea pigs and probably get scammed annually.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Steer by wire is pretty much the only cool thing. It exists elsewhere sure, but not in vehicles of this size

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[–] MrVilliam 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just dropping a link to the relevant, most recent upload from Some More News aka Cody's Showdy. TL;DW: the cyber truck is an oversized, overpriced, unreliable, terrible design that's dangerous to everybody in and around it.

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[–] breadsmasher 15 points 2 months ago

Tesla? Making shoddy vehicles?

shockedpicachu.jpeg

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The folks at Some More News made a really great point: The truck segment is ripe for disruption. People who need trucks hate the monstrosities that truck companies are putting out. The Cybertruck, however, isn't disrupting the market. It just looks weird. It's just as heavy and big as other trucks.

Imagine if a company put out a small truck. Not too powerful, not too big, good sight lines and a nice, big bed. That would be disruptive.

Then again, I'm a Harbinger of Failure and listening to me is probably a bad idea. I assume people aren't fucking idiots so maybe just build bigger and bigger trucks that are less and less useful

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As a European. Most of the people don't need a freaking truck. Big or small. In the rare cases you do need to move something, just rent a van. It will save you a lot of gas and money.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

I see Cybertrucks all the time. Everything about it is so ridiculous that I am genuinely embarrassed for the driver. I think it is the scale. If it was the size of a Hyundai Santa Cruz, the aesthetic might work...maybe. It just looks silly, gawdy, unfinished, and cheap.

[–] KonalaKoala 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

At this rate, they are better off just scraping the Cybertruck and issue refunds to everyone who was stupid enough to buy one.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Oh yeah, here's Some More News on that.

[–] RunningInRVA 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My new Hyundai did this, sorta, and it also had to be recalled. Shifting into reverse would immediately display the rear view camera (good) but then about 25% of the time it would flash a dialogue box on top of the display with instructions on how to operate the display (bad). You could select “Dismiss” or “Don’t Show This Again”. Selecting “Don’t show This Again” did nothing (worse). With the dialog present you could not see the rear view camera display and if you are one of many drivers with muscle memory, the car was already rolling backwards when you realize you cannot see (unacceptable).

Elon sucks and I would never buy a Tesla but just adding this as a reference point that software in cars generally sucks.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At least your Hyundai had a working rearview mirror so you had another way to see behind you.

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[–] Sam_Bass 4 points 2 months ago

design shoulda gone into the circular filing system at the beginning

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