Political Memes

And the fact that Lügenpresse has even come up at all is freaking wild. That's something which should send a chill down the spine of anyone with even a whiff of understanding of modern history.

That they're down the rabbit hole about it should be impossible. The whole idea should have been political suicide. I take it as evidence of the extreme control years and years of Republican propaganda has on its constituents. They not only vote against their own interests, but they now actively stand against democracy. Absolutely insane.

This is exactly what they are saying on a few conservative subreddits I saw today. That the moderators fact checked him about migrants, then when he tried to explain some detail that explained everything they cut his mic.

As if Vance hasn’t famously been lying about the topic for weeks and endangering a whole community.

I'd say it's even worse than that. Part of the culture on the right is that "yeah, it's a lie but that's fine". Even proving they lie beyond a shadow of a doubt doesn't dissuade the core, because they have been conditioned to take lies in stride, so long as it agrees with them.

You have Vance going on and saying the lies are necessary because unless they lie about Haitians and paint them as barbaric savages then people will fail to recognize them as the barbaric savages that everyone knows "those people" really are, even if the facts don't support that. That maybe they can't accurately state how they are savages or they can't support it, it "sounds right" and that's good enough because surely they are up to something like that, because they are "those people".

You have people in their camp like Scott Adams spinning things as "directionally true", again, they may not be actually true, but common sense tells everyone Haitians are bad people, so it's good enough.

Speaking of common sense, Vance said during the debate that experts are explicitly people to disregard and to follow that "common sense". Expertise, research, honoring the facts, all these are bad things because "common sense" knows better (so long as "common sense" agrees with whatever Trump camp feels, if your "common sense" disagrees, well then you don't have common sense or you are somehow evil).

Like the one "outright lie" they caught Walz in, that 35 years ago he was in Hong Kong in August instead of June, Walz seemed genuinely ashamed about that pretty mild scenario. Meanwhile Vance just effortlessly carries on without a hint of caring about being called out on anything.

I think Lindsey Graham said the same thing after the RNC back in 2016. It's been going on forever, but that's the first time I remember one of them saying it out loud. Paraphrasing, "I'm a politician. You can have your facts, I'll take people's feelings every time."

I got that feeling too. He was in shock a few times.

That's because she was genuinely baffled. Vance was just faking.

Couchfucker Jeffery Dahmer Vance

What line of work are you in, Bob?