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Kyle Rittenhouse texts pledging to ‘murder’ shoplifters disillusion his ex-spokesperson (www.theguardian.com)

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‘I believed things he told me that I now understand to be … lies,’ Dave Hancock says in new Rittenhouse documentary

A former spokesperson for Kyle Rittenhouse says he became disillusioned with his ex-client after learning that he had sent text messages pledging to “fucking murder” shoplifters outside a Chicago pharmacy before later shooting two people to death during racial justice protests in Wisconsin in 2020.

Dave Hancock made that remark about Rittenhouse – for whom he also worked as a security guard – on a Law & Crime documentary that premiered on Friday. The show explored the unsuccessful criminal prosecution of Rittenhouse, who killed Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

As Hancock told it on The Trials of Kyle Rittenhouse, the 90-minute film’s main subject had “a history of things he was doing prior to [the double slaying], specifically patrolling the street for months with guns and borrowing people’s security uniforms, doing whatever he could to try to get into some kind of a fight”.

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[–] [email protected] 249 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Remember the video of him getting into a fight with some teenage girl just a few days before he killed those people? The video they wouldn't let the jury see because it might show that Rittenhouse was an escalation-seeking rage-aholic? The video that his spokesperson has definitely seen?

Yeah, he was never disillusioned. He knew who this bastard was all along. He just stopped making money off the kid, is all.

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[–] norimee 179 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Why is this waste of space still in the news? And a documentary? Seriously? Can we please ignore him going forward and let him be forgotten, unimportant and inconsequential in a hole, like this litte rat deserves?

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Hey, he just wants to kill some more people. No big deal right?

checks rulebook

My mistake, murdering shoplifters is actually still kind of a big no-no. Apologies.

[–] norimee 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

he had sent text messages pledging to “fucking murder” shoplifters outside a Chicago pharmacy before later shooting two people to death during racial justice protests in Wisconsin in 2020.

That was before he went to Kenosha.

And honestly, we all knew he did it on porpouse. This is nothing new. Blowing this up and giving it more attention just furthers the right's hero worship of him.

More attention makes it worse. It makes him an Icon and martyr for the white supremacists.

[–] dezmd 35 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Premeditation and intent. How is this weasely fuck not in prison for life.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The insidious nature of systemic racism is why. White men are given the widest possible berth to acquire weapons and play vigilante. As we saw here, a white guy who talks about murdering people can, over and over, put himself into dangerous situations until he gets the opportunity to kill and get away with it. This isn't even the only example in the last five years.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Usually the situation they put themselves in is taking a job as a cop and refusing to deescalate any situation.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, he is very consequential. If you went to an NRA self-defense shooting instructor in 2019 and laid out everything Rittenhouse did, and then asked if that was valid self defense, the answer would be unequivocally no. What Rittenhouse found was an argument for shooting protestors and getting away with it.

That's scary, because if you spend much time around gun shows and gun clubs, you'll meet plenty of people who are clearly looking for an excuse to shoot somebody with a legal loophole.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

The judge created the legal precedent for the loophole.

The greater evil behind it all is a situation where a Blackwater type organization is paid for security and people protest, then they open fire and start killing. They can all use the Rittenhouse defense and get away with it.

[–] Soup 31 points 2 months ago

People on the right still believe he was defending himself or just a kid or whatever whatever. This news shows that it was totally planned, that he willingly put himself in harms way to murder people like he was judge, jury, and executioner over some shoplifting.

It’s important that we go “oh look, he really is, undeniably, a rotten piece of filth” and can throw out all these notions of “well-intentioned” people who end up killing people like this.

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

For one thing, whether or not you or I like it, he's a right-wing darling and he needs to stop being one.

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[–] Red_October 152 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Wait you mean when he grabbed a rifle and traveled an inordinate distance to the scene of a riot and shot two people to death, he wasn't just an innocent bystander after all?

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being such a bootlicker that you want to kill people for property crime, even when that property isn't yours. What a loser.

[–] Red_October 72 points 2 months ago

He just wanted to kill people. That they were black made it more attractive, and the property crime was a convenient excuse.

[–] [email protected] 122 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Rittenhouse has a hero complex, and can't accept he's nothing more than a deranged little shithead everyone knows is just a murderer that got away with it.

No one likes him, not even the right. The right used him when he was useful and then threw him away. How sad and pathetic that those were his "best" days, and they are behind him.

He'll now try to regain his "glory" days by reliving that time he murdered innocent people. And hopefully this time he's put away for life.

[–] AngryCommieKender 18 points 2 months ago

Nah, hopefully this time he bites off more than he can chew and the most that the prosecutor is able to charge his next victim with is self defense or involuntary manslaughter.

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[–] barsquid 119 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He deliberately sought out an altercation and he deliberately brought his gun.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They should have waited to prosecute. He would have lost today.

[–] AbidanYre 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That seems like it would violate the sixth amendment. Besides, we knew all of this back then.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No, you have a right to a speedy trial. You don’t have the right to be charged with a crime in a speedy way while evidence is gathered against you.

Sometimes we should wait for them to incriminate themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

I know of some individuals who have been sitting in jail, waiting for a trial, for longer than the maximum sentence they could have been given. If you are poor and/or live in a shitty area, your 'rights' don't always mean all that much.

[–] Passerby6497 97 points 2 months ago

Wait, you mean the guy everyone was saying went to Kenosha to murder people, actually went to Kenosha to murder people?!?!?! Color me shocked.

Only idiots and the mentally deficient bought his official story.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 2 months ago

Let’s not forget how the judge in that case dismissed video evidence of him saying he wanted to shoot people. If that didn’t change this assholes mind-

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 months ago

Oh imagine that everybody with a brain was right all along and some f****** lunatic murderer got off again great job America

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Jesus, how was Rittenhouse murdering those guys only four years ago? It feels like it was at least ten.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We're all aging like US presidents now

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I wish I was still on reddit for this shit. I remember when it happened and every fucking bootlicking Magoo was defending this shit stain and using the law as if they understood self defense in that context. They worshipped that guy for being "a good guy with a gun" and had every excuse in the world for why he was a victim...

Man I hope they're seeing this.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I was pretty shocked at how widespread his defenders were. Regardless of whether what he did was technically self defense or not, it’s clear he’s a bloodthirsty right-wing fanatic. There’s no need to defend his public image, even if you agree with the verdict.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The people defending him were also bloodthirsty right-wing fanatics.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

They'd come up with new and exciting logical loopdeloops to explain how he's still the victim in this situation.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales 40 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I hope he dies a bloody death

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I wish an even more tragic fate. I hope he gets to live in a world filled with tolerance and empathy while he wallows away in hate and fear.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish him a life of obscurity, poverty, and extreme loneliness. May he achieve nothing and be just smart enough to realize what a waste his entire existence has been.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well shit, that happened to me without shooting anybody

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I wish for you to find a fun thing, be it playing guitar, drawing silly comics, or making obscure art. You need not create for anyone but yourself.

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[–] Ragdoll_X 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Zero surprises there. So many gun nuts are just itching to kill someone, and to those who were paying any attention it was abundantly obvious that's exactly the kind of person who Rittenhouse is considering his fake crying, taking pictures with the judge, as well as buddying up to nazis and literally making a game to celebrate his shooting.

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[–] MediaSensationalism 33 points 2 months ago (9 children)

My only weakness was not being cynical enough.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Little pudding faced cunt.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (23 children)

Congratulations, US legal system! You have encouraged a murderous vigilante!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (8 children)

For a gun to be effective against an attacker, that attacker needs to be about 25 feet away or farther when you decide to shoot them. Closer than that, it’s a melee before you get an accurate shot off.

This means that you need to escalate a situation to gunplay way before you’re in actual physical danger, in most cases.

Unless you’re walking along brandishing your weapon, in order to be ready for a possible threat. This in itself escalates any situation you’re in to “one with a gun in it,” whether you’re ever in any danger or not.

Small arms are offensive weapons. They cannot be used for defense without making otherwise safe conditions unsafe, or by escalating a possibly threatening situation into a definitely dangerous one.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

Generally yes, unless you're already in a defensive position and anticipating an attacker. But I'm pretty sure driving a half hour into the next state doesn't count as a defensive position.

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[–] Sam_Bass 12 points 2 months ago

he couldnt see his targets through his tears

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