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While election almost certain to be decided by swing states, pollsters explain why growth in national polls is meaningful


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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

For fucks sake this should not be tight or close. It should be a gods damned CURB STOMP that destroys the Republican party for the rest of history DAMMIT.

[–] fluxion 7 points 4 hours ago

Ozzy Osbourne would be a safer choice than this guy

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 74 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Vote anyway. Be part of a sweep.

[–] schema 17 points 4 hours ago

A sweep will also make it harder for the inevitable attempt of republicans to invalidate the election.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 24 points 5 hours ago

Make it Trump's most embarrassing loss to date!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Vote for every office, not just the president

[–] DokPsy 3 points 1 hour ago

In TX, Theodore "I left my dog snowflake at home while the state was freezing and without power for a family trip to Cancun then blamed my wife and children for the trip" Cruz is currently up for defeat.

He only just barely won against Beto O'rourke last time. Colin Allred is closing in and needs all the help he can get.

[–] essell 13 points 5 hours ago

I think she'll be busy enough with one job

[–] Fedizen 3 points 4 hours ago

end this silver spoon narcissist retiree's bullshit. Please vote

[–] JeeBaiChow 47 points 7 hours ago

Doesn't matter. Go vote. Complacency gave the orange toddler his first term. Just sayin.

[–] lemmylommy 61 points 8 hours ago

Don’t trust polls. Vote.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

oh man I remember how hilary was going to win by such a large margin in those polls.

[–] shalafi 14 points 4 hours ago

Does no one remember Jame Comey, Director of the FBI, coming out just before the election and saying they were reopening the investigation regarding her email server?

The polls were right, at the time.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

kamala harris isn't hillary, though. I heard a recording of myself from like 2005 and a someone was saying "yeah hillary clinton can unite people" and I said "..against her" and I barely cared about politics back then.

[–] Fedizen 1 points 4 hours ago

the gop has made inroads on the young white dude demographic, largely because of incels. Its more of a tossup for that reason and the electoral college (which lets all agree needs some kind of proportional rank choice fix, or to be dropped entirely for popular vote)

[–] rayyy 11 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Except Professor Alan Licthman predicted Hillary would lose then and has predicted a Kamala Harris win. He actually uses a scientific method for his predictions.

[–] lennybird 15 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Many of the keys are subject to arbitrary interpretation; Nate Silver criticized his process and arguably has a better probability model with more consistent accuracy across thousands of races somewhere around 90%. Key 2 was given to Biden despite the writing on the wall that 2/3 of Democrats wanted a contest both before and after the primaries. Key 3 Incumbency these days is more of a liability with both candidates distancing themselves. Key 9 Scandals have lost a lot of meaning in the Trump era.

Should be noted that he gave a full-throated endorsement of Hillary Clinton... only to predict she'd lose. The thing is, he had originally referenced in two different publications ahead of that prediction that she would specifically lose the popular vote. She didn't. He then changed his model.

Also I'm not a fan of this guy because he belittled with insults those who called for Biden to step down... Despite not giving a prediction on Biden at the time.

[–] FlowVoid 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

arbitrary interpretation

They aren't as arbitrary as they seem, it's just that the media don't go into the full detail.

For example, key 2 is actually "The candidate is nominated on the first ballot and wins at least two-thirds of the delegate votes", which is clearly true

Furthermore, the entire point of this method is that it ignores opinion polls. So it makes no difference whether the public actually wanted a primary contest or not. Likewise, it doesn't matter whether scandals have "lost meaning".

[–] lennybird 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

His entire methodology is contingent on history repeating itself. But we know we live in times of historical firsts that defy extrapolation.

With key 2 it's less about the definition and more about the allotted weight of importance. Like, imagine if the DNC simply said that "we are unilaterally awarding all delegate votes to Biden and skipping a Primaries voting process for our Democratic voters." Yes, the key would still be True, but would that mean jack shit? Not really. And again, Incumbency is more a liability when the incumbent President's approval rating matches Jimmy Carter. His Charisma keys are another example of subjective interpretation and which itself is clearly reflective of opinion polls.

For all our sake, I hope he's right. But his prediction is just as if not more useless than the aggregation of A+ polls in moments of time that can actually adapt to changing circumstances, including things like impactful scandals, military success / failures, and social unrest.

At the end of the day Perception is Reality; even if the economy is doing well in short and long-term on paper, we again unfortunately live in unprecedented times where that is not being felt by the actual people who are, you know, going to the ballot box.

[–] FlowVoid 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

His entire methodology is contingent on history repeating itself.

Any prediction is based on history. Even pollsters believe the history of polling results before an election can predict how people will actually vote on election day.

What people usually don't realize about the "keys" is that they aren't advocating some political position, like "incumbency is good". It is more like a retrospective clinical study, where you look at a bunch of factors (smoking, exercise, TV watching, eye color) and see which ones best predict some outcome of interest (lifespan). If smoking has an association with lifespan and eye color doesn't, then smoking is a predictor and eye color isn't.

It doesn't matter if people don't understand why smoking would affect lifespan. It doesn't matter if people think eye color should be more predictive than smoking. It doesn't matter if people think cigarettes today are not the same as they used to be, so smoking should no longer be a predictor for lifespan. Predictors are predictors until they actually fail to predict.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I saw an interview with him and he gives off quack vibes to me. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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[–] Frozengyro 3 points 6 hours ago

Polls use scientific methods too, that doesn't mean they aren't wildly incorrect from time to time.

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[–] paf0 96 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

It only matters in the swing states. The ones where they're trying to purge the voter registrations, sometimes successfully. The system is broken.

[–] BradleyUffner 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Down ballot matters everywhere.

[–] paf0 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Only if people are allowed to vote when they show up

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It still matters... that's the problem.

[–] paf0 2 points 5 hours ago

Oh, I thought this thread was about a poll between Harris and Trump

[–] disguy_ovahea 15 points 7 hours ago
[–] OhStopYellingAtMe 47 points 10 hours ago

The Republican campaign strategy: “cheat to win, win to cheat.”

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

“There’s growing evidence to support a surprising possibility: [Trump’s] once formidable advantage in the electoral college is not as ironclad as many presumed. Instead, it might be shrinking,” Cohn argued.

[–] ClanOfTheOcho 12 points 8 hours ago

I'm in a red state. I'm in a neighborhood with a lot of of retired Republicans. I don't see a single Trump sign, but there is a growing count of Harris signs, including "Republicans for Harris." ymmv

[–] OhmsLawn 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] tired_n_bored 16 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (4 children)

As a non-american this scares me.

What the fuck does Trump have to offer to the average citizen? He is basing his campaign on

  • tax cuts for the extra rich
  • iMmIgRaNtS (who Harris wants to stop anyways)
  • licking the ass of Putin and Nethanyau
[–] nifty 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Trumps pov is easy to understand, and so he’s easy to buy. You only need to stroke Trumps ego and speak his language and he’s on your side. That’s why Republican politicians think they can control him, except he’s too neurotic and unstable, likely because of narcissism made worse by dementia.

No one really votes for Republicans, that’s why they have to gerrymander and keep the electoral college alive. There’s like maybe 35%-37% of the American pop. which really supports their pov. The swing states are only ever an issue because of voter disenfranchisement, not because people actually swing. Very few people actually swing vote.

[–] JimmyMcGill 1 points 1 hour ago

The electoral college favors Republicans but the narrative that “no one really votes for Republicans” is fucking bullshit

Yes, they tend to lose the popular vote but even then % wise, it’s way closer than it should be.

The way you phrase it, makes it seem like they are a fringe group that through cheating manages to win even if they only have half as many votes as the Democrats.

They are popular even with, or perhaps actually because of, all of the racism, sexism and fascist tendencies. Do not downplay that.

[–] OhmsLawn 5 points 5 hours ago

As an American, this scares me.

I try to share this site when national pole articles come out, because these are the only numbers that matter in our election. It doesn't matter how blue California is if they rat-fuck the elections in the swing states.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, politics is teams sports in this country. Too many people are concerned with their side winning rather than what is best for the country or even for themselves. The propaganda machine has pushed people to support a small subset of issues as the biggest issues and these are often not the issues that actually have any impact on the day-to-day lives of most Americans. Critical thinking is not part of the discourse anymore for a large percentage, just rhetoric and slogans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

You're not mentioning racism and sexism, which is at least as important as what you're describing.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

He is similar to popular non-Americans like Berlusconi, Meloni, Le Pen, and Kickl. Americans aren't unique in that regard.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 0 points 3 hours ago

AND HERE THEY COME INTO THE BACK CORNER IT'S TRUMP IN THE LEAD WITH HARRIS SURGING UP THE INSIDE!!

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