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While election almost certain to be decided by swing states, pollsters explain why growth in national polls is meaningful


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[–] OhmsLawn 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] tired_n_bored 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

As a non-american this scares me.

What the fuck does Trump have to offer to the average citizen? He is basing his campaign on

  • tax cuts for the extra rich
  • iMmIgRaNtS (who Harris wants to stop anyways)
  • licking the ass of Putin and Nethanyau
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, politics is teams sports in this country. Too many people are concerned with their side winning rather than what is best for the country or even for themselves. The propaganda machine has pushed people to support a small subset of issues as the biggest issues and these are often not the issues that actually have any impact on the day-to-day lives of most Americans. Critical thinking is not part of the discourse anymore for a large percentage, just rhetoric and slogans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

You're not mentioning racism and sexism, which is at least as important as what you're describing.

[–] OhmsLawn 6 points 2 months ago

As an American, this scares me.

I try to share this site when national pole articles come out, because these are the only numbers that matter in our election. It doesn't matter how blue California is if they rat-fuck the elections in the swing states.

[–] nifty 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trumps pov is easy to understand, and so he’s easy to buy. You only need to stroke Trumps ego and speak his language and he’s on your side. That’s why Republican politicians think they can control him, except he’s too neurotic and unstable, likely because of narcissism made worse by dementia.

No one really votes for Republicans, that’s why they have to gerrymander and keep the electoral college alive. There’s like maybe 35%-37% of the American pop. which really supports their pov. The swing states are only ever an issue because of voter disenfranchisement, not because people actually swing. Very few people actually swing vote.

[–] JimmyMcGill 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The electoral college favors Republicans but the narrative that “no one really votes for Republicans” is fucking bullshit

Yes, they tend to lose the popular vote but even then % wise, it’s way closer than it should be.

The way you phrase it, makes it seem like they are a fringe group that through cheating manages to win even if they only have half as many votes as the Democrats.

They are popular even with, or perhaps actually because of, all of the racism, sexism and fascist tendencies. Do not downplay that.

[–] nifty 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Last time Republicans won the popular vote was because of 9/11, so 2004, but they always lost otherwise since 1988. The racism and sexism are open wounds from the civil rights movement in the 60s and the women libs movement in the 70s. Most of the red voting states are super low population, so there’s no love for republicans other than their gerrymandering and electoral college fixing.

I am pretty sure Trump is winning it in 2024 because of the way some of the swing states are removing access to voting. It’s such a fucking fraud

[–] JimmyMcGill 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That doesn’t change anything I said. A significant portion of your population votes for them. Almost half of the voting population votes for them. You can’t ignore these facts.

[–] nifty 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] JimmyMcGill 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In 2020 Trump got 47% of the votes. Biden 51%. That’s the almost half that I’m talking about

[–] nifty 0 points 2 months ago

It’s less about favoring Republicans and more about the fact that the U.S. does not have ranked choice voting, or more than two viable parties, so it becomes an all or nothing team sport

[–] jj4211 2 points 2 months ago

So they believe that Democrats automatically means higher taxes for them, regardless of income level.

Should you manage to get them to consider the taxation would only target the wealthy, they are afraid the wealthy class will fire them due to the loss of money. Similarly afraid that stronger worker protections would just lead to the jobs going away. They think the benefits achieved by Democrats favor cities and rural areas don't see their moneys worth. Now they didn't spend that much money on taxes and they do get great benefit, but they see the cities get bigger stuff and that leaves an impression.

Speaking of jobs going away, they fear immigrants. Both on racist grounds and the general perceived increase in labor competition.

Fewer arms to Ukraine because they see it as wasting money on a cause that has nothing to do with them. More arms to Israel because they are afraid of Muslims.

Particularly dangerous as key people recognize this is a lot of people, but not the majority. So there's a great fear that democratic voting means they would ultimately be marginalized. So they also are the party most inclined to game the vote however they can, mapping districts, limiting voting access, stalling absentee ballots.

[–] FlowVoid 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He is similar to popular non-Americans like Berlusconi, Meloni, Le Pen, and Kickl. Americans aren't unique in that regard.