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[–] FlareShard 160 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Having a touchscreen to operate your car with is a safety hazard compared to having buttons and knobs.

[–] brap 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My Mazda had a nice combination of touch screen which disabled itself when the vehicle was in motion and you could then use the rotary control instead. Was really nice and intuitive with entirely separate AC, heated seats etc controls.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I had a rental Mazda and I have to say, that rotary control is the worst combination of tactile and touch interface I have seen to date. Maybe that gets better after using it for 6 months, but I can more or less memorize touch interface control positions in that same timeframe and without the distraction of figuring out which element the rotary dial highlight moved to this time.

I would rather have had full touch than that monstrosity.

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[–] cobysev 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have a Mazda like this. I absolutely hate it.

I have a small built-in touchscreen on the top of the dashboard which is visible in my peripheral vision while driving. But it turns off touch controls while the car is moving. And the physical controls are in the center console behind my manual stick, on the passenger's side. So I have to blindly feel around for my knobs and buttons while driving, or take my eyes completely off the road to look down at my center console.

It would be safer if I could just tap the screen quick while keeping my eyes facing the road, versus trying to search for knobs down next to my passenger's thigh.

I also hate that this newer model removed the mute button from my steering wheel. I used to be able to immediately mute my radio by pressing that button on my 2010 Mazda. But in my new 2017 Mazda, I need to find the tiny volume knob by my passenger's thigh and slap that knob. I still have volume buttons on my steering wheel, but I can't immediately mute by holding the down volume button. So I need to go searching for that knob, which is more time I'm not looking at the road.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 3 months ago (5 children)

What cooks my god damn goose isn't the stupid screen I'm going to break one day. It's that they run buses for other systems through the radio so you can't replace it with what you want.

[–] ThePantser 61 points 3 months ago

Yep, infotainment and HVAC should have different control systems entirely. If your radio dies it should not mean the death of your car completely. And I consider not having access to your government mandated cameras and defrosters a dead vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

I had a 1988 Pontiac 6000. I took out the radio/tape unit and replaced it with a CD player. My goddam cruise control was disabled after that. They've been running other systems through the radio forever.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] someguy3 17 points 3 months ago

That one we can accept modern ebikes.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago (5 children)
[–] bamfic 12 points 3 months ago

That seems so GM

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe 47 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I can press any button I like on the console without looking, while knowing what button is.

I will never prefer anything else.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Can we add 'cars with spare tires' to the list?

Having to call a damned tow-truck just to get a flat tire fixed is not a winning move if you're trying to sell how much your car benefits the environment.

[–] problematicPanther 30 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Wait, new cars don't have spare tires? Wtf has the world come to?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

First they switched to the mini-spares. Then they got rid of them altogether.

If you're lucky, there are little filler canisters and a cigarette lighter-powered air compressor to let you get slowly to a tire shop. Sometimes, not even that. If there's a nail or a blowout, tow-truck city. Just hope it's not out in the middle of nowhere in the dark or in bad weather.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Many new cars have "run-flats," which can be used even if they get a puncture/go flat.

However, they are more expensive, they don't function under certain kinds of flats (e.g., sidewall damage), they have limited range, and limited speed.

The tiny "donut" spares on some cars are also not intended for high speeds, but I'd much prefer that to a punctured run-flat. (You should probably place the donut on the rear of your car is front wheel drive, though.)

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you're pulled over for using an iPad while you're driving you'll get a ticket. But if you build the iPad into the car it's somehow okay.

[–] Aqarius 25 points 3 months ago

Nah, see, when you turn on the car's iPad, it shows a pop-up telling you not to use it while driving, so it's totally different.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I want 3 things in a car navmod:

  1. Decent enough sized screen for Android auto to show me the map. My 2018 Nissan leaf is probably the smallest I'd go on this, but I wouldn't even double it

  2. For the love of GOD could we let me upgrade the unit, or force android auto to use my powerful-enough-for-this-purpose phone handle rendering the video feed? My pixel can handle an external monitor at 1440p no problem, I'd love to give the shitty PC in my car a break from scrolling maps at 3fps

  3. Physical buttons for everything HVAC, can honestly take or leave the volume and tuner knobs as long as they're put on the steering wheel

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[–] SpaceNoodle 34 points 3 months ago (4 children)

There's a middle ground. Give me a decent-sized [touch]screen for Android Auto with physical HVAC & media controls.

[–] spankmonkey 7 points 3 months ago

Honda is one automaker that has separate climate controls, and it is a great balance with things that are nice on a screen like navigation. Heck, even though the music is through the touchscreen it still has a volume knob to quickly adjust or turn off no matter what the screen is showing.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

love how looking at phone screens is (rightfully) considered bad while driving, but then they just put a big fucking tablet on cars.

[–] buzz86us 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I hate how they don't give you a choice in the matter.. Just give me basic controls, then sell a bespoke android tablet that mounts in the car. I thought car companies love to push extras?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

But if it just mounts in the car they can't tell you that you will need a new car because your built-in tablet doesn't get updates anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Being able to feel controls instead of having to look at them while driving is key, but some of you take this to Luddite levels.

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[–] finitebanjo 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

I'd like to keep the Reverse Cam alongside the knobs personally.

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[–] dejected_warp_core 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My major problems with this design trend, in my own (biased) experience:

  • Center console entertainment UI is usually the slowest thing ever made, making it an even bigger distraction than needed. I could develop muscle memory for blindly pushing the right virtual buttons, but the slowness makes this impossible. It's usually wildly under-specced, but what's stranger is that there's never an upgrade option you can buy from the manufacturer.

  • Can't use the panel blindly, creating a big honkin' distraction within reach of the driver. Speed (see above), iffy capacitive touch with no haptic feedback, as well as multiplexing the UI through deep menus, are the chief culprits here. If there were standard controls that were always on screen in the same place, with a suitably responsive UI, this wouldn't be as big a problem.

  • For systems that are fully-integrated, it's all or nothing. If the panel/CPU dies, you lose your stereo, navigation, and climate controls all at the same time. My car, fortunately, has the A/C physical controls. This creates a distinct point of failure which is nice - I'm pretty sure I will still have A/C if the panel craps out.

  • It's dirt cheap to manufacture and I think we all know it. We're already paying historically high prices for cars, and cheaping-out on the bits we touch the most is just an extra kick to the junk at this point. To the manufacturers: we have remarkably better experiences on our freaking phones every day, so nobody but your grandma is impressed with the weak-sauce, crippled, bogus UX you bolt into your expensive vehicles. You're not making cars cooler, you're just making car ownership worse. Do better.
[–] VinnyDaCat 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Reject smart cars because they're collecting your data and it will be used to increase your insurance rates.

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[–] ladicius 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Volkswagen in the 70s and 80s had three horizontal control levers for the heating on the center of the middle panel which you could push with one speedy gesture to the very right, and then the front window would get max heat and max air flow to defrost/to demoist very fast.

Was so intuitive and fast you didn't think about it and never had to take your eyes from the road for. That was peak design in my eyes.

[–] BilboBargains 18 points 3 months ago

You might die on a hill if you attempt to control a car using a touchscreen.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

I'm really thankful that Audi rolled back whatever they were doing and gave me knobs and switched to deal with. Like in fucking planes and space shuttles !

And fingers crossed all this common sense gets enshrined in law soonish.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Leave me a phone sized screen for CarPlay and everything else can go back. I agree with the giant touch screen only stuff being nonsense, but CarPlay is life changing to my driving experience.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

The crazy thing for me is that apart from physical buttons, if car manufacturers actually just released models of 20-30 years ago as new launches, complete exterior and interior, they’d so well!

Edit - with just Bluetooth added but I’m cool with using a cassette adaptor of some sort. Also assuming the engines would be up to today’s emission standards. I mean just the shape and looks.

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[–] cosmicrookie 11 points 3 months ago (11 children)

This is my daily drive. I do wish it had Bluetooth tough. I did get an FM Bluetooth transmitter, but it didn't work that well.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

All I want or need is Bluetooth

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

If only they were capable of offering phone stands. No, I don’t need your 4 foot, 500 gigalumen screen, just give me a place to put mine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ah, the old "How hard do you want it, how hot do you want it and where do you want it?" climate controls.

There were and are the best.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Our family car radio ig? The screen looks like that due to how hot is it outside (I reside in a desert country)

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