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[–] RagingSnarkasm 179 points 3 months ago (4 children)

At this point, I think they are actively trying to drive us away.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 84 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

It's like the Picard Maneuver, but where you just warp straight in front of your enemy while simultaneously shitting yourself.

[–] normalexit 55 points 3 months ago (7 children)

They will certainly succeed at driving some people away. I was a lifetime Windows user and I currently don't have it installed on any of my machines now. I think the average Joe is blissfully unaware other than the occasional dialog about a new feature coming their way.

I think they are going to lose more of the hardcore tech community with decisions like these, but I don't know that they care.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

but the "hardcore tech community" guys are the IT guys of all companies. so this means a lot of the people who are in IT related meetings and have a say in which OSes to install will now be opposed to Win11. A lot will probably suggest waiting to hopefully be able to skip 11, but some will choose alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

News flash, a lot of the hardcore tech community already used Linux and would’ve pushed for it in related meetings.

Using Windows isn’t a sign of advocacy, it’s a sign of legacy. Companies don’t want to swap and change things.

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 3 months ago (9 children)

This is where we say switch to Linux, right?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Yeah but I think most of us have already.... We are not many enough to matter though. Microsoft and Google will continue to do what they want with 99% of users.

[–] TommySoda 35 points 3 months ago (3 children)

If they keep going at this pace, even the average person will be sick of it. My company was already considering it (after some input from myself and a couple coworkers) after they first announced recall. We sometimes deal with sensitive information that we can't share with anyone outside the company. Periodic screenshots, regardless of what Microsoft says they will do, is a huge security risk.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 months ago (17 children)

I always wonder where the line is for the majority of people, maybe there isn't one and they know it. You've got to hand it to Microsoft nearly 30 years and they still have the majority.

[–] TheGrandNagus 110 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

This is the thing Lemmy nerds don't understand:

For most people, using a PC is a chore.

To most people, using a PC is like mopping a floor, or cleaning a car. It's a boring - even unpleasant - task that you need to do every once in a while. They'd rather be on their phone or their iPad.

When you already view using your PC as a chore, and some Linux user says to you "hey, if you spend a day backing up all your files, creating an install USB, installing Linux, reinstalling your programs (and finding alternatives for those that aren't available), logging back in to everything, moving your data back across, and relearning how to use a PC, it'll be worth it in the long run!", you will just ignore their advice. It's easier just to say "nah, I only occasionally need my PC when I want to update my CV or write a long email anyway. Thanks for the suggestion though!"

They put up with an hour or two of MS's bullshit every few months. They don't like it, but they also don't care enough about putting effort in so that in future, the chore of using a PC only feels half as bad. At the end of the day, either way, it's still a chore, and they'd still rather be on their phone/tablet/doing something else entirely.

In the same way, they also don't care enough about ultimately saving 10 mins every month when they clean their car to go out of their way and do the initial work of claybar-ing, polishing, then waxing it.

I use Linux. I like Linux. But I'm just another Lemmy nerd, not an average PC user.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)

There is no such thing as a line, it seems to be a long gradient and its about how fast you move on the gradient. If you ever so slightly introduce more and more crap slowly enough, people don't care as they forget how good they had it much earlier.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago (18 children)

I did it! I did it over the long weekend. Been using Windows since 3.1 (albeit only switched fully from MSDOS when Windows 2000 came out).

I did a test run on my laptop during time away from home/desktop over the summer, using Linux Mint, to see if I can do work and school on an unfamiliar system exclusively. On Mint I never had to open the terminal and everything worked right out of the box. Cinnamon is very similar to Win10 too. Heck, I can't even remember the installation procedure, it was so hands off and easy.

After two failed attempts of Arch on the same laptop, I've managed to install it with help of archinstaller on my main desktop. No idea what I'm doing, but I got it up and running to a state where I can do both work and school.

FUCK Windows and the constant nag it does everywhere. Good riddance.

[–] JigglySackles 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Lol I misread this as you'd been relying on windows 3.1 and never upgraded but that 11 including recall made you switch to Linux. I need to be more thorough in my reading .

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[–] Clbull 65 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Off is the direction in which I would like Microsoft to fuck if they think I'm gonna have a deep learning AI spy on my computer activity.

This just makes me want to switch to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Stop threatening. Commit. Take the leap. A lot of us here are already on the other side and we'll help you find your footing.

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[–] y0kai 17 points 3 months ago

Do it. I made the switch a few months ago and its so much better

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[–] DaddleDew 47 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What was it, not even two months ago when they said they "listened" to us and that they wouldn't go forward with Recall? And we all said they would still roll it in later when the dust had settled? Yup, we were right.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

It happens every time....tech companies are not worried what users think because users don't care enough to switch to Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

False. The hard drive where Windows lives will soon find itself exiting my window

[–] theherk 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ah the ol’ defenestration uninstallation.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago

Not use Windows 11 you say? Install Linux you say?!

[–] pHr34kY 33 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Even if you can't cleanly remove it, you can probably delete a few system files and break it. It's not like the whole thing will be baked into kernel32.dll.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago

Good point. Sounds like the kind of company I want to do business with. /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Hmm, I wonder if there could be an exploit where Recall is covertly turned on, so it can be used to exfiltrate data. Not a good idea to basically have a surveillance rootkit sitting passively on your system, with no ability to remove it, just waiting to get abused by attackers. But using this proprietary garbage OS nowadays isn't a good idea in general and there is a much better alternative.

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[–] dogslayeggs 30 points 3 months ago (9 children)

I hope enough companies realize the inherent danger to their IP this feature brings. Or that the government realizes the inherent danger to CUI data and forces there to be an admin level lock of the feature so normal users can't just turn it on.

I and many others can't just switch to Linux because we are required to use company laptops/desktops that are admin locked.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Didn't they say the same thing about Internet Explorer, it was part of the OS and can't be uninstalled or disabled...

Then, antitrust legal action against Microsoft and it turns out they can enable it being removable. Whoops!

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter 30 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Who else has ever invented such a powerful spyware?

Serious question. Because usually Microsoft are not the first ones with anything, it is very likely that there is a predecessor.

Now I am quite disturbed because I don't know how and where we are being spied on already in such an infamous manner!

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[–] FireWire400 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I'm in the process of switching to Linux on my main rig; still got a lot of shit to figure out but it'll be worth it in the end.

And no, I'm not being a Linux fanboy, I'm just tired of being Microsoft's bitch.

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[–] proton_lynx 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Windows Recall + Kernel level anti-cheat. How could it possibly go wrong, amirite?

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[–] ZILtoid1991 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, not without also uninstalling Windows...

[–] StephenTallentyre 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

[ Insert "I see this as an absolute win!" meme here ]

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[–] TommySoda 26 points 3 months ago

As soon as support for windows 10 is over I'm out. My new laptop had Windows 11 pre-installed so I switched it to Linux a few days ago after I realized Copilot installed itself without asking me. I'm using my laptop as a test run before I get it on my desktop so I can figure out which distro I wanna use when the day comes.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Install Linux, it's easier, leaner, faster than windows shit, it's also free, does actual security, and won't ever spy on you.

Send in the down votes

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

I wonder if the advent of Windows 11’s “best” features will become known as “The Great Defenestration”

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I actually want this feature, but I want to own the data. There are some OSS projects writing basically identical things but they aren't too popular (https://github.com/jasonjmcghee/rem seems to be the most popular I could find, but I wasn't able to get the cross-platform version running on my machine).

I also wrote the dumbest possible clone of this feature in bash, the basic data gathering steps are actually pretty easy to do. I'd build this into a real program but I've just been too busy lately with other projects: https://jackson.dev/post/cloning-windows-recall-in-30-lines-of-bash/

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[–] lepinkainen 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

You guys do know you don’t have to use Windows?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We can't uninstall our own keylogger, sorry!

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[–] Kyrgizion 17 points 3 months ago

It also can be not installed to begin with. Fuck MS and all their bullshit. Next year, 5% of pc gamers will be on Linux and it will keep growing from there.

[–] Crismus 17 points 3 months ago

I'm glad I just setup Linux two weekends ago. It was simple to install all of my hardware worked well. I only miss a couple of minor features like the LED software and my overclocking software.

And those really aren't that big of a deal since I haven't had a failure to play a game so far.

It was at least 20 years since I tried Linux, and the changes are wild. I didn't even choose a simple distro and haven't even had too difficult of a time.

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