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Unpopular Opinion

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If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it's something that's widely accepted, give it an arrow down.



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  • If your post is a "General" unpopular opinion, start the subject with [GENERAL].
  • If it is a Lemmy-specific unpopular opinion, start it with [LEMMY].


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1. NO POLITICS


Politics is everywhere. Let's make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.


2. Be civil.


Disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally attack others. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Please also refrain from gatekeeping others' opinions.


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4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...


Only until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.


5. No trolling.


This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.



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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Yes. I mean, just because your stupid neighbour celebrates their birthday, it doesn't mean you would stop celebrating your birthday just to be different.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The official lemmy interfaces don't track those things.

[–] ccunning 31 points 2 months ago

The official lemmy interfaces don't track those things.

Cake Days are shown in the default web interface. Like for this user who posted further down in this thread:

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

IMO the issue is not copying cherry picked good features from Reddit, but to indiscriminately copy features because "since Reddit has it, Lemmy got to have it too", without paying attention if they actually benefit the Threadiverse.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bots are one thing like that. Communities could have features built in that was not possible on Reddit since admins are part of the community now.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Good catch on bots - they're a great example of that, since the underlying idea (less busy work) is 100% worth copying but not the implementation.

In fact IMO Lemmy bots are already a bit too similar to Reddit bots in a bunch of undesirable ways. For example they're created and kept as "pseudo-users", instead of tools associated with a (human) user in their profile.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Tldr I don't think this is an unpopular opinion.

Cake day?

I have no idea what day I first started using lemmy, or when I made an account. I'm okay not knowing.

As for "karma", do any instances track total karma, or just per-comment? Honestly I don't give a shit if my comments do well or not, I don't live for other people's amusement.

As for other people, I can't speak for them, but I haven't seen anyone crying for lemmy to be more like reddit.

~___~

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Mostly I like the ways it's not like reddit, but I miss 'disable inbox replies'

[–] Evotech 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Drop controversial comment

"Disable comment replies"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sometimes you just have something to say but have high confidence that continuing the conversation beyond that isn't going to be productive. I like having the option to not be tempted.

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[–] ccunning 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I didn’t think karma existed on Lemmy? Or maybe it was removed in ann update?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

~~It exists, your total just isn’t visible to anyone but admins.~~

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Users' aggregate post and comment score has been entirely removed from the Lemmy API (as of version 0.19.0 if I remember correctly). It is not easily accessible to anyone, including admins. You could write a script to sum a user's aggregate score.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

This pleases me greatly. This is the ethos.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Oh I guess I missed that update. Thanks for the correction.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. Your instance is from another platform, right? Is it Piefed or mbin?

Is this just basically karma or what does it mean?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

yep, im coming from an mbin instance. its basically karma.. upvotes - downvotes.

it really helps identifying spammers/trolls quickly.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Thanks. I love that we’ve got several active alternatives we can communicate with on the threadiverse now. I like Lemmy but I hope they continue to proliferate.

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[–] dual_sport_dork 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, in that your upvote total and ratio can be calculated, at least. Does it actually do anything, or can it do anything, like it did on reddit? Subs having minimum karma thresholds, that sort of thing? If not, it's truly meaningless and can be safely ignored by everyone.

That's what I do.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if I should downvote this popular opinion in the unpopular opinion sub or upvote it, for more people to see this wholesome take.

[–] Squorlple 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I had to look at the community rules to see what to do as well:

If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it's something that's widely accepted, give it an arrow down.

What is the protocol for when I don’t have enough data to assess how popular an opinion is and I want to spread and support it to make it more popular of an opinion?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

welp, i decided not to do anything 😅

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

how do we reward original content?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

Toothpaste.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I literally do not and have never cared about votes or awards.

[–] CodexArcanum 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] kevindqc 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lol it actually is. Boost for Lemmy doesn't show it, had to go on his profile to see the date

[–] CodexArcanum 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Voyager (on android) puts a little cake-slice emoji 🍰 next to people's names. I get tickled because I joined during one of the big exodi from Reddit so I share cake day with a lot of other people.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Enjoy Lemmy Gold, kind stranger!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

How would Lemmy reward original content?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] Lost_My_Mind 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

So you're in favor of the Reddit2 proposition then...

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[–] Rottcodd 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Strongly agreed.

I'm reminded of the scene in Groundhog Day in which they have that one day that just unfolds naturally and is so wonderful, and then the next time through, the Bill Murray character tries to duplicate it, and it's just awful and cringey.

Lemmy, given the chance, will (continue to) develop its own norms and memes and traditions, and be that much better for it. Just trying to duplicate Reddit here is not only doomed to failure, but cringey.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The reverse can also happen, though. Many of the features of Reddit are there because they are good, so if we just strive to be different for the sake of being different that will end up awful too.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Let's get rid of cake day but there is already no karma on Lemmy meaning no general upvote count. It will be much harder to find anything if we get rid of a voting system and the one we have is probably the most transparent and easy-to-understand one 2 opposite force and to possibility to choose neighter.

[–] CodexArcanum 12 points 2 months ago

I think it's important for developers to stay active within the community and try to understand how the community uses the tools available and what additions or changes are desired or would be beneficial. Obviously people disagree about what those things are at times, but I think with patience and empathy we can iterate ideas and get to better places.

I see people posting more and more news on Lemmy and I enjoy that, but it does make the need for tools that fight disinformation. Maybe that's the source-checker bot (feels like a stopgap to me) or maybe that's a combination of new ui and api features that draw from Twitter's community fact-checking and how some instances are use bias-checkers.

Moderation tools are always in need of improvement too.

Hey I even think silly shit like emoji reactions and awards have a place for people that prefer less verbal forms of interaction but still want nuance or whimsy.

[–] Boozilla 11 points 2 months ago

The only thing I miss here are active niche communities. Other than that, it's so much better than Spez's data vacuuming service.

[–] SlopppyEngineer 7 points 2 months ago

I would like some geographic filtering, or at least sorting, do I can see local stuff before all the USA election posts.

[–] warbond 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think it would be cool if you couldn't see the upvote/downvote score until you voted

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[–] njm1314 7 points 2 months ago

Did Reddit invent cake days? I thought that was a Digg thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The only thing that would even make sense to bring imo is a leveling system of sorts, straight from the forums of old.

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[–] MehBlah 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is there a place where you can see your useless internet points on lemmy. They are only needed to show the general opinion of the thread. It a superior system to reddits bot fueled lies.

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