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An inmate’s body temp was 107.5 when he died. The state of Texas says heat did not kill him. (www.kut.org)
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[–] [email protected] 160 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm a paramedic, these are absolutely fatal temperatures. "Oh WeLl He HaD a SeIzUrE dIsOrDeR", yeah, it's called heat stroke, you mop handle. People have seizures from heat stroke. Turns out that stuff that makes seizures more likely tends to provoke seizures, go fucking figure. "Well, hold on, they had medical conditions", yeah, medical conditions make people more vulnerable to heat exposure, which means that when you let their core temperatures get up to the level of causing a heat stroke, they're going to fucking die.

I really hope the next of kin can try to get an independent examiner to review their case and sue these jackasses to the point where they can't even keep their dog's shit, because this is absolutely 100% gross negligence, manslaughter, and downright immoral, unethical behavior.

[–] chiliedogg 71 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's not manslaughter. The Depraved Indifference (also called Depraved-Heart) rule elevates it to murder.

When someone actively chooses to act in a way that is so dangerous that death is a likely outcome, the depraved indifference to human life is essentially treated as intent to kill. The classic example would be choosing not to recall a tainted batch of medicine in order to maintain profits.

This would certainly qualify for the rule.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Great point, thank you!

[–] chiliedogg 10 points 3 months ago

It's how they got Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd. They couldn't prove that he planned to kill him, but they were able to show that he intentionally acted in a way that was potentially lethal and was so indifferent to the consequences that it elevated it past an accident to an intentional assault resulting in death (murder).

If George Floyd had had a heart attack from the stress of being arrested and Chauvin had tried to provide medical aid and filed, it would have been a tragic accident. Instead he intentionally retrained him in a known dangerous manner and refused to provide or allow for medical care when it was clear that Floyd was suffering a medical emergency. That's murder.

[–] Maggoty 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Except this is Texas. Nobody expects actual justice there.

[–] chiliedogg 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As a Texan, I can say there's very little we take more seriously than working air conditioning.

[–] Maggoty 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh I know. I lived in Arizona. But I also saw how much working air conditioning the sheriff's office gave inmates. We gave that guy the boot a while ago now so hopefully it's better but I hold little hope. And I'm willing to bet Texas has the same inmate sized loophole to caring.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

Paramedic ftw. Thanks for what you do and the bs you put up with 🙏

[–] NegativeInf 138 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No. It was all of his proteins denaturing that killed him, the heat was merely a part of his totally not cruel and unusual punishment.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.

[–] NegativeInf 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, what did you do with it now that the front fell off?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Towed it out of the environment, of course.

[–] FlyingSquid 61 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good thing there's nothing in the Constitution about no cruel and unusual punishment. This is fine.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

They actually ruled that it has to be cruel and unusual. Not just one or the other. It's messed up.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The dying is what killed him.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

He must have had a fever. A very strong fever that also heated up the rest of the area to a similar temperature. I am sure that was what happened.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Indeed, ones responsible for keeping him in that cell are the ones who murdered him by not providing care nor suitable living conditions.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My average fellow citizen: ThEy PrObAbLy DeSeRvEd It!

We're such petty vindictive assholes, it kills me...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Most conservatives I know: “weeeeell I guess you should have thought of that before you committed crimes!”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sadly, it’s liberals as well. America is a fucked up place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah, conservatives don’t have a monopoly on anger and callous disregard for other humans.

[–] Madison420 7 points 3 months ago

Negligent homicide, they clearly knew it was too hot and did nothing hence premeditation and negligence.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (3 children)

If this state is going to survive, there needs to be some major changes in government this election cycle.

They care more about a unborn fetus than a living breathing human.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But ONLY when it's unborn. Once it's out, it can go fuck itself for being born

[–] BigPotato 12 points 3 months ago

Original sin and all that

[–] motor_spirit 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think it's time to start over with Texas at this point

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I remember some decade or so ago i watched a little documentary where they build a huge ass new stadium in texas. The sheer size of that thing was repulsive. But the worst part was that they were really proud that they can close the roof and cool it down with the biggest a/c i have ever seen. They are cooked. I don't even see the point of living somewhere where you can't even exist outside. I once met a girl from texas abroad and every time someone mentioned that it was hot, she chimes in and said: actually back in Texas it's way hotter and so on. After talking to her for a few days i realised that yeah, while it's way hotter there, she doesn't spend any time outside. Air-conditioned home, air-conditioned car, air conditioned home to air conditioned workplace.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I think you were referring to the AT&T Dallas cowboys Stadium, and you can see that fucker from space.

And it's basically impossible to exist outside for any period of time here without AC unless you have like 3 gallons of water with you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Cue George Carlin

[–] 2lama 42 points 3 months ago

I mean the state of Texas is right. The heat didn't kill him, they did with their negligence.

[–] YoorWeb 32 points 3 months ago

42°C

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's likely they are trying to deflect on a technicality; something like "Medical experts say ...[etc etc]... at 108F."

They tend to do that a lot. Unfortunately that's probably the heat lethal point; and it can vary a lot based on weight and size; which a doctor or educated practitioner would know; but not an average prison guard, captain or warden who is only intelligent enough to go by what their little book says.

Obviously they are not taught nor instructed to have any compassion whatsoever; and prisoners' complaints are routinely ignored, intentionally misrouted, mishandled and withheld without good reason.

It's oftentimes 10x worse in states like Texas...where the usual attitude is to dehumanize prisoners. I genuinely hope they are forced to reform things and stop slacking.

[–] littlewonder 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You're right, it feels like "they didn't die from Covid, they died from breathing complications!”.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

Well of course they aren't going to admit that rising temperatures can kill people. That would require them to look for a solution to the problem. These boomers are going to hide their heads in the sand until it's too late to do anything because their donors are making big money off destroying the planet.

[–] Etterra 19 points 3 months ago

You don't think the Texas government actually gives a fuck, do you?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

You guys can secede any time. Go back to being a Mexican roof.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Texas is a barbaric state, just like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and more. I would kill myself if I was sentenced to serve time in any of them.

[–] RizzRustbolt 7 points 3 months ago

It was obviously the humidity that killed him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

This is TRUE! ANYONE whose gone through the Texas Education system knows it's ILLEGAL to say things are HOT!

[–] werefreeatlast 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a dry heat they say....

[–] FlexibleToast 6 points 3 months ago

Not in Texas.