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[–] [email protected] 107 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't authorize you to close the account.

We are the bank. We don't authorize you to bank with us.

I don't know what they think their next move is. It seems pretty clear to me that the bank has won. Anyway…

[–] barsquid 46 points 3 months ago

That's illegal, I signed it crosswise so you are beholden to your half but I am free of all responsibility and obligation.

[–] CeeBee_Eh 9 points 3 months ago

They know what's going to happen. It's just a vertical for them to get into an uproar about their sovereign rights.

[–] elbucho 99 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

Huh. Call me provincial, but I had no idea that sovereign citizens existed outside of America. The idea of a Cypriot sovcit never occurred to me.

[–] dellish 98 points 3 months ago (6 children)

In Australia I knew I guy who was a SovCit and he would do stupid things like quote the bill of rights. We'd say "what bill of rights?" Australia doesn't have one. All his info came from the US and he just followed it with realising none of it was relevant in a different country.

[–] edgemaster72 82 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be fair pretty much all the US sovcit stuff isn't relevant or applicable in the US either

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

True. But things like the UCC are real laws. Sovcits just hilariously misinterpret them. There is no such law in other countries. Plus sovcit stuff is based on common law. It makes even less sense in civil law jurisdictions.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I did expect Australian and British sovcits, but didn't expect Greek ones.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't expect Spanish SovCits...

[–] dellish 5 points 3 months ago

No-one expects The Spanish SovCit!

[–] dellish 2 points 3 months ago

I don't know man. Idiots are everywhere.

[–] carl_dungeon 15 points 3 months ago

None of it is relevant in the USA either, it’s all bullshit.

[–] saltesc 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Were they one of the lost idiots waving a Trump flag during the Victoria lockdown protests? I still cringe to this day.

[–] dellish 2 points 3 months ago

Fortunately I haven't bothered keeping up with him for many years, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was doing that. And protesting vaccinations too probably.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

There is a similar movement to SovCits that is at least properly adapted to other countries (specifically the Commonwealth and Ireland's) laws called "Freeman on the Land."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We have people in Canada who demand their first amendment rights and put Trump stickers on their trucks. These people are not the smartest.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We call them "autonomous" in the Netherlands, and Germany has "imperial citizens".

Everywhere has its own flavour of these morons thanks to the Internet. And they often literally copy the talking points, and occasionally even laws.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure they're called "wappies" in the Netherlands

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Well, Autonomen are a flavour of Wappies :P

[–] Raxiel 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We have a few so-called sovereign citizens in the UK.

And ONE actual sovereign citizen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

that would of course be count Binface, who is a space alien and thus obviously is only subject to any human law in so far as that he chooses to go along with it.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They have been identified in 26 countries.

[–] pyre 11 points 3 months ago

the internet was a mistake

[–] thesporkeffect 5 points 3 months ago

It is effectively a memetic virus, and there's no SCP foundation to implement quarantine procedures...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

in general, things do exist out of the U.S, its just people in the U.S do it more publicly. Its like racism, and how some people think U.S is the most racist due to media and social media, its actually very far from that on the general scale of things when compared to other countries.

[–] Hikermick 8 points 3 months ago

It's nice to know America doesn't have ALL the idiots

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The anti-vax conspiracy crowd in Britain is heavily SovCit. They seem to think the magna Carta means they can be selfish arseholes

[–] MrJameGumb 47 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Let me make sure I follow what happened here... He got a bunch of paperwork he presumably needed to sign in several places? Instead of doing that he put a postage stamp (?) on top of the pile and "signed across" it?

Am I reading that correctly?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So it would seem. What that means in sovcit land I know not.

[–] MrJameGumb 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this apparent notion that signing a stamp is supposed to have some official function lol I'm assuming it's something he dreamt after a particularly large meal

[–] DynoNoob 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I found an article that explains the stamp thing. And it's just as stupid as you'd expect it to be.

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/9/10942860/sovereign-citizens-movement

[–] barsquid 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

According to the FBI, which considers this a domestic terrorist movement,

Ahahahahaha

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 8 points 3 months ago

It is though. They are violent sometimes.

[–] MrJameGumb 8 points 3 months ago

That made my head hurt 😵

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

A 2014 survey asked US law enforcement officials to rank terrorist threats to the United States. They ranked sovereign citizens as the highest threat — with Islamic extremists coming in second.

Jeez

I can't imagine a country that ranks it's own citizens as the highest terrorist threat

[–] MapleEngineer 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think he signed, "The authorized representative of [name]." as opposed to just his name.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

I always wonder where and how these crazy sovcits are after all this time. October 2023 is quite a long time ago. Like I wonder if they're homeless, if they ever got back on their feet after everything they do fails.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

Yes. The answer to their question is yes, it does look like a termination letter to me.

[–] pyre 16 points 3 months ago

excuse me, what do you mean "my country"? not very sovereign of you.

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 3 months ago

Are they asking a trick question?

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At least the Discordians were harmless.

Well, mostly. Some are dire.

This is just embarrassing.

[–] jordanlund 7 points 3 months ago

Harmless until they start rolling out golden apples. :)

[–] fox2263 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How did I know the man would be called George.

God I love Greece.

[–] Rob 8 points 3 months ago

Seems to be Cyprus from the letterhead.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

"Signed across them"? What is that even supposed to mean?

[–] francisfordpoopola 8 points 3 months ago

Archangelos Micheal.... Come on... (Second line on the return letter)... Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

can we trick them all into going the same place