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Awesome article about the ad which sums it up nicely:

https://justinpot.com/watch-me-be-in-three-meetings-at-once/

Three meetings at once. It’s so funny that, when I saw people making fun of it, I assumed it was a meme or an Onion parody. Nope: Microsoft really did run this as an ad on Instagram. This is what they think we want from their supposedly world-changing technology: the ability to attend more meetings.

Now, Copilot’s ability to transcribe a meeting and highlight the key points is cool, and in theory it could make meetings more efficient. It’s easy to imagine, in a healthy work culture, where that gain in time allows people to spend more time doing the actually productive parts of their job.

Instead this ad assumes the opposite will happen. It imagines a future where we use our efficiency gains to attend more meetings. Economists sometimes talk about how the current crop of technology hasn’t lead to commensurate productivity gains—it’s a bit of a mystery in some circles. I would hold up this ad as the explanation: we are all, as a society, using the efficiency gains to attend more pointless meetings.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind 147 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Some asshole on LinkedIn is creaming his khakis over this

[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely stunned by Microsoft's Copilot! Finally, a tool that understands the art of multitasking at an unheard-of level! Can’t wait to revolutionize my workflow and lead the charge toward a more efficient future. #GameChanger #ProductivityPerfection

[–] NegativeLookBehind 57 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] sudo42 114 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

What this will mean is middle management will fire all the line managers. Your only contact with management will be through one of their AI's.

[Robot Voice] Work harder! Your vacation is denied. Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions! There's no way your solution will work. Drive this bus off the cliff or find another job! Write a 15-page self-assessment of your accomplishments this quarter. Your performance review is 0 out of 5. Your pay is cut 10%. No, I did not read your self-assessment. I didn't have time. Our company has failed. I'm giving myself a $2M severance. You are fired.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago

That was both wild and entirely accurate at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I already had our CEO send us a speech video of him made with ML during a all-hands, although he said just afterwards it was made with ML. I fully expect this to become the norm in the future, even if we can tell the uncannyness for a while, they will not care.

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[–] samus12345 101 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh boy, three fistfights at once!

[–] assassin_aragorn 6 points 5 months ago (6 children)

She's a goddamn fucking gem, I love her. She has a bunch of great TikToks and is a super smart lawyer. She don't miss

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[–] Aviandelight 65 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So Copilot is going to make me a transcript of a meeting that could have just been an email to begin with? Brilliant.

[–] deweydecibel 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No, it's going to make assumptions about what was important in that meeting and try to bullet point it. And that won't actually work well enough to count on, and if it misses something, you won't know.

I also can't imagine many managers will be happy about this, because the whole point of calling a meeting is that they want your attention. After a manager ends up lecturing a meeting full of bots a couple times, and someone misses something that was brought up in a meeting they ostensibly attended, they'll complain, and IT will be instructed to block it.

And I can't exactly blame them, honestly. I'm not fan of unnecessary meetings but if I'm managing a team of people, I'd want to know I'm engaging with them, not Copilot.

And as an employee, I'm not about to let an AI be caught doing any part of my job, because that's just giving management "ideas"

[–] phoneymouse 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s going to be a bunch of AIs sitting around spewing bullshit since all the humans sent their AIs to the meeting.

[–] FlyingSquid 31 points 5 months ago

Reminds me of this scene in Real Genius:

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Remember when AI was going to free us up to do better things? LOL just kidding, 3 meetings at once.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

I remember when llms were used to simulate subreddits as a singular entity leading to pretty funny results. Wish we could've put a pin in it there.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's not an ad for you. it's an ad for your bosses

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That really doesn't lessen my horror.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it was never about making anything better for you. no one's talking about the fact that all these employers are demanding RTO while also increasing VIRTUAL meetings

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

it was never about making anything better for you.

And that's why it's posted here.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I already don't trust AI, there's no way I'd want it to be the arbiter of potentially critical job-related information in a workplace. For probably less money than licensing and running an AI, a company could just hire a stenographer to sit in meetings all day, take notes, and send those notes to concerned parties. Better yet, why not get certain people to send info directly via email, instead of scheduling a bunch a pointless meetings. How's that for innovation

[–] Mirshe 17 points 5 months ago

Right? If an LLM can transcribe all the useful information out of a meeting, it stands to reason that the entire meeting could just be boiled to an email, instead of enabling middle managers to feel useful by tying up other people's time.

[–] xantoxis 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's easier to understand this through the lens of the bosses who actually buy this technology. They're only in meetings. They kind of assume that's what their workers do, too. They want their workers in more meetings; if that's all you're doing, it sounds like being productive.

The workers aren't buying copilot, and the people who are buying it find this somewhat convincing.

[–] suction 17 points 5 months ago

Matches my experience in bigger companies. People who have a “mostly meetings and PowerPoint” job think that sitting in meetings is real productive work. They assume anyone who sits in front of a computer but not in a meeting is probably not busy enough and their job could be outsourced to India.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Even the woman on the ad looks “whelmed” and disappointed in the world of tech. I feel like behind those eyes there are thoughts of quitting and moving to Idaho to raise sheep.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Definitely looks like the AI has been sending her transcripts of the vacation it's been attending with her family.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Uh, I think she may be a bit too "ethnic" for the vast majority of Idaho.

DisclaimerPlease note that I am not condoning this sentiment, merely calling out Idaho for being majority backwoods regressive.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Copilot’s ability to transcribe a meeting and highlight the key points

And then send it as an email to all participants. 😂

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[–] Hikermick 16 points 5 months ago

She looks thrilled

[–] NounsAndWords 15 points 5 months ago

It makes sense if you assume it's actually targeted at managers who want their employees to be in three meetings at once.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

It shows just how fundamentally out of touch MS is with, well, everything.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Not exactly related to this, but I can't wait for our eventual AI avatars to sit in meetings for us so they can lay us off and have our AI avatar literally take our job, likeness, and persona.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

There's a montage scene in 'Real Genius' where a student is going through freshman year at a college. The first time he goes into a particular classroom there are ten students one one tape recorder. Each time he arrives there are more recorders, until finally there's nothing but recorders and the professor has left a tape machine of his own to play the lecture.

Yes, Val Kilmer was in another movie besides Tombstone!

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[–] rockSlayer 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What you see is a dystopian view of the direction we're headed with AI due to capitalism. What I see is another way to keep 3 bullshit jobs without being able to wfh

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

They are ALMOST advocating for over-employment.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

As someone familiar with Microsoft's meeting culture, this is pretty accurate. If you want to attend every meeting in the day, you will be in three meetings at once. At a minimum.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Not even the lady in the ad looks happy about this lol

[–] Crampon 11 points 5 months ago

and in theory it could make meetings more efficient.

How about making an agenda for the meeting, sticking to the agenda, and sending out a copy of the proceedings to every attendant and other who need it?

If you have a meeting without these things it's not a meeting. Its a gathering of people talking about vaguely similar interests.

Fixing the meeting culture is easier than inventing technology to decoy bad leadership.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Meeting for the meetings meeting

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

That last section of the article you highlighted makes me think about Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber. Imagine if everyone going to bullshit meetings actually did something productive for society, or did something that they themselves found fulfilling. Makes me sad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if everyone going to bullshit meetings actually did something productive for society, or did something that they themselves found fulfilling.

At some point I've decided this is at least 25% of the point of most of the Star Trek storylines, and I'm here for it, sadness and all.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even understanding that marketing people tend to be a different breed, I cannot comprehend someone who would think "we can put you in more meetings" is this super compelling pitch.

Like even accepting the premise that this works (which I don't really), there would be any number of ads to be made about how Copilot can attend meetings for you, and you can just keep working instead and not have to be bothered with it. But no somebody made the ad thinking that increasing the meetings was the part that people are gonna get excited about.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Like even accepting the premise that this works (which I don’t really), there would be any number of ads to be made about how Copilot can attend meetings for you, and you can just keep working instead and not have to be bothered with it. But no somebody made the ad thinking that increasing the meetings was the part that people are gonna get excited about.

I feel like this is the same guy who told the Kellogg's CEO to suggest that folks struggling to pay higher prices for basics should try cereal for some meals.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can I have three jobs at once?

[–] thesporkeffect 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sure but they will pay 1/4 of your current salary each while expecting a full 40+ hours of availability

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We just aren't all seeing that it's worth it to rip all the material out of the planet. Craft it a great expense into complex machines and burn our very ancestors for fuel.

So that a speech to text bot that takes imagined assumptions at exponentially more power can write an email that could be done by a person who could also do more complex tasks or hell even fetch a coffee.

Tech bros just trying to figure out why it's a good thing to get rid of people they just don't like from being around them and make it seem like a good thing. And I say that as someone that likes tech and often doesn't like people.

This is so stupid.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I don't want to be even in one meeting at a time without camera on.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

We were afraid of totally extermination by AI. Reality is worst and boring, as usual

[–] AeonFelis 5 points 5 months ago

AI will be used to conduct three meetings at the same time. Employees will still be expected to personally attend all of them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

i actually was in 2 recently, but one wasn't important and i muted it when a colleague started showing slides. wouldn't recommend either way.

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