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[–] [email protected] 148 points 6 months ago (9 children)

"Died of high chili consumption"? Is this actual English? Those words don't seem to fit together that way. I feel like if this were a real thing, Thailand wouldn't exist.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It seems like a more accurate title would be "died of high capsaicin consumption due to a heart defect".

[–] [email protected] 130 points 6 months ago (6 children)

That's still misleading. He died of a heart defect exacerbated by high capsaicin consumption.

Any high stress event could have exacerbated the heart defect.

[–] VelvetStorm 10 points 6 months ago

Ya but this headline gets the clicks and that's all they care about

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

There was an arstechnica article on this topic TLDR:

The newer 🌶️ pack so much 🥵 that we discovered too much capsaicin can cause feel bad effects in the body.

Thailand wasn’t built with ghost peppers and above. We never had 14million scovilles per bite before.

Edit: found it https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/09/teens-death-after-eating-a-single-chip-highlights-risks-of-ultra-spicy-foods/

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Capsaicin is a crystalline structure. Pure capsaicin is 16 million scoville units, and is a crystal. I highly doubt there's any food that anyone is eating that is 14 million scoville units per bite. That would require 87.5% of the food to be crystalline.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s a powder flavoring applied on top of a chip.

People don’t eat huge chunks of salt any more than they are eating chunks of capsaicin.

If we can salt chips, we can probably capsaicinize them too.

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[–] NOT_RICK 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

What does Thailand have to do with anything?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

Mexican food has nothing on Thai food when it comes to spice. I like spicy food, even Thai-spicy food, but I have only once made the mistake of asking them to make it as spicy as they could. I swear that little old lady was hiding a huge grin as she marched that order back to the kitchen. Then they only came out to refill my water once.

It was fucking delicious, but I think I started to hallucinate.

[–] hperrin 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I’ve heard that Thai restaurants have extra spicy recipes for non-Thai people trying to act tough by ordering the spiciest thing.

[–] distantsounds 9 points 6 months ago

It’s typically the other way around.

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[–] thesystemisdown 7 points 6 months ago

It was fucking delicious, but I think I started to hallucinate.

Kindred spirit, my friend.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

There is another country that would not exist if high Chile consumption was a real thing.

This is real title gore, the sentence structure barely makes sense too. Unwinding the journalistic word order and even correcting for the missing word "report" and the chilli misspelling, it basically says

Autopsy was conducted on a teen who had a tortilla, and it[s report] says: "He died of high chil[li] consumption and had a heart defect."

The logic is technically correct but the following bizzare statements are suggested (not implied):

  • If you are a teen and eat a tortilla, a doctor may decide you need an autopsy. Prevention first, amirite?
  • The cause of death of the teen in question was high chilli consumption, which caused a heart defect, and subsequently the autopsy, either of which alone would be enough to kill him.
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How hot Thai food is, is somewhat overblown. It's the hottest regularly served food in the world, but it's not hotter than some people enjoy. Their "spicy" comes from red and green chili's, ginger, peppercorn, and garlic. By far, the hottest of that group is the red chili's, but those are around 200,000 scoville. I can eat those and not break a sweat.

The one chip challenge was a lot hotter than any Thai food. Hotter than any of the other challenge or worlds hottest "x" that I've tried (friends and stuff gift me these types of things a lot). I've bought a lot of sauces that are hotter than it, and it still didn't have me wishing for something to drink. My mouth just doesn't react to capsaicin as much as the average persons.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So he died of a heart defect, exacerbated by high capsaicin intake.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

Thank you for fixing the headline! 👍

[–] masquenox 65 points 6 months ago (14 children)

As a chili pepper lover myself I absolutely do not get this garbage trope of treating chili pepper consumption as some kind of contest. The idea is to add heat to your food - not prove your pathetic "manliness."

In my opinion, anything above Habanero is just pointless masochism for no good reason at all.

[–] Dasus 17 points 6 months ago (4 children)

In my opinion, anything above Habanero is just pointless masochism for no good reason at all.

Idk man I agree otherwise, but tolerances rise. And different chilis taste different. Habanero has a nice, sweet taste, and naga yolokia has a bit sharper taste.

So it very much depends.

I don't try to make "hot" food, but wanting a bit of heat in every meal has lead to my tolerances rising and Habanero just not cutting it for proper heat. (I think the heat is good when you ~~almost~~ feel it in your nipples.)

[–] AlpacaChariot 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

(I think the heat is good when you ~~almost~~ feel it in your nipples.)

Sorry what?

[–] Dasus 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When the food is so spicy that at first you start sweating a bit on your face and then the heat slowly spreads from your face. So at the point when it's enough to reach your nipples, the spiciness of the dish is just right.

[–] AlpacaChariot 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well I have to hand it to you, there's a kind of mad logic to it!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

idk sometimes it's just fun to eat something really hot, especially with friends

my dad and i did the 1 chip thing a few years back and we got a fun time and a funnier video out of it. not much more to it really

[–] KuroiKaze 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think ghost peppers have fun uses and the Carolina reaper almonds from diamond are actually delicious and not that spicy (guessing they use very little). I agree that the mega potent stuff is better used for spicing up a 3 lb pot of chili.

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[–] Mozingo 52 points 6 months ago (7 children)

As someone who regularly eats 1million+ Scoville chilies and sauces, these chips ain't nothing to fuck with. It gave me the absolute worst stomach pains I've ever had, it was like the flu but worse. There's gotta be something in those chips that at a level that's not normal for peppers.

[–] Buffalox 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah well, this guy was apparently trying to eat a whole country?

[–] Mozingo 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I've been getting those stomach pains lately trying to pursue the amount of heat I like in my food. I finally decided I just needed to take a break from spicy food to reset my tolerance.

Though, I was watching the series Superhot, and it seems that the stomach pains are pretty commonly associated with eating a lot of those types of super hot foods. So, I'm guessing it's just from the sheer amount of capsaicin on those chips. It's pretty much just capsaicin extract at that point.

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[–] Blaster_M 38 points 6 months ago (5 children)

High chile consumption

So, don't eat an entire country. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I eat most of Turkey every November.

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[–] cosmicrookie 35 points 6 months ago

Its not a challenge if you can't fail

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (16 children)

I don't get why anyone likes eating super spicy foods. After a certain level of heat there is no more flavor, just spice, and it clearly can cause serious problems for your body. What is the draw?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It being dangerous is extremely rare, and the extreme heat can give a pretty big endorphin rush.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

You build a tolerance to the heat as you eat more and more spicy food.

After a certain level of heat there is no more flavor, just spice...

Again, your tolerance is what dictates the accuracy of this statement. I think Paqui chips taste terrible, the spice level has nothing to do with it. But, as the other commenter mentioned, you pursue this level of heat because you enjoy the rush it gives you. If you can handle the spice of super hot foods, you either need a ton of peppers (which just makes your good taste like peppers), or you need something insanely hot to add, so you can maintain the food's good flavor, while also having a satisfying level of heat.

The draw is the rush.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

As someone who loves super spicy foods:

Heat doesn’t alter flavor. Capsaicin itself is flavorless, so if you just take a food and add capsaicin extract, it’ll increase the heat without changing flavor.

However, IMO there’s no point in doing that unless you’re trying to win a challenge. Most of us get capsaicin from peppers, and each pepper has a unique flavor that can add a lot of nuance to a dish.

Plus, I enjoy the heat sensation and am highly tolerant, so I can eat high heat foods and enjoy them. I would not recommend a spice-naive person start out on super hots.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I ate the hottest level they had at Quaker steak and lube one time. I was laughing and crying at the same time while bouncing around in my seat. It had a bit of an endorphin rush, but also hurt heh Edit: got my free shirt though! Still have it I think. All about the swag baby

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[–] AbouBenAdhem 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Large doses of capsaicin can increase how the heart squeezes, putting extra pressure on the artery, noted Dr. Syed Haider, a cardiologist at MedStar Washington Hospital Center.

Is it the nerves or the muscles of the heart that have this reaction to capsaicin? And does it only target the heart?

[–] Pirasp 12 points 6 months ago

I don't think it's a direct reaction. I think it's much more likely that capsaicin induces stress and that messes with the heart.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

I am an adult, and I do like spicy food, but I'd like to throw in that this chip is fine. It's spicy, but not crazy. It was hot for a few minutes and then not hot.

I'm more surprised that the article affirms that large amounts of capsaicin can be physically damaging in some way. I've never heard of that before.

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