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[–] Noite_Etion 97 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

When our living conditions deteriorate gradually, we adapt to these conditions instead of fixing of them. But sudden threats get sorted out immediately.

Coal has done far more damage than nuclear energy ever will, but coal has over 2300 stations worldwide and nuclear has 400.

A perfect example of the 'Boiling Frog Syndrome'.

[–] madcaesar 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I read somewhere that the boiling frog thing is total bullshit. They'll totally jump out once the water gets too hot.

[–] Meron35 57 points 1 month ago

The frogs only stayed in the water because Friedrich Goltz lobotomized the frogs beforehand. Which makes it a perfect metaphor because the Murdoch media has definitely lobotomized the public.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in this case the boiling frogs can’t jump out except for the ones with the top 1% of the cash in the pot so,

still applies i think

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[–] mojofrododojo 64 points 1 month ago (3 children)

rich bastards claiming that windmills would harm them through visual pollution.

you fucking fuckwits, smog is visual pollution. But they don't care.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

you fucking fuckwits, smog is visual pollution.

I'm old enough to remember people losing their shit at China over the 2008 Beijing Olympics drowning in a toxic cloud. The international outcry was such that the state spent a decade cleaning all that shit up (which produced its own wave of "Has Chinese Eco-fascism Gone Woke?!" screamer articles in turn).

But their rate of pollution has been falling steadily for the last two decades, in no small part because the state wasn't fighting an uphill battle against corporate slobs in white doctor's coats trying to tell everyone that smog wasn't happening/was good aktuly.

Meanwhile, US expenditures on lobbying, denialism, and greenwashing stretch into the billions of dollars annually. And its not hard to understand why, when the ROI is $7T/year on the international stage.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Windmills are a whole lot better than burning coal, but aren't perfect. Recyling the blades after their 20 year lifespan is a nightmare.

[–] mojofrododojo 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

nothing is perfect. we need imperfect things that don't emit co2. windmills have many detractors but at the moment represent mostly co2-free power if we're willing to take it. and recycling industries for solar and wind are coming, they'll never be perfect either, but when the waste stream becomes lucrative enough they'll find a way.

[–] buddascrayon 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

but when the waste stream becomes lucrative enough they'll find a way.

The problem with capitalism in a nutshell.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I doubt it's any worse than the other mountains of waste we produce. I'd wager it'd barely even register.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Smog is like vaccines. People don't see the smog/disease anymore, so they think they don't need the protections/vaccines.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (13 children)

inb4 comment section full of uncited factoids and personal attacks

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

dont need a citation for that one :)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ha ha your mom suck me good and hard through my jorts

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[–] FlyingSquid 31 points 1 month ago (18 children)

I have a Prius. Not for any stupid "I'm saving the planet despite still driving an ICE car" reasons, because I save a lot on gas.

Doesn't stop every "rollin' coal" asshole from doing it when they drive by me because "haw haw dumb librul hippie." You sure showed me by spending a lot more on gas than I do.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Man I recently got a 2010 Prius off an auction. Very cheap purchase and it works great already getting savings on gas. But I did notice people have the urge to want to pass or take over when I'm in it even though I'm definitely going fast enough. Funny enough it doesn't happen when I'm in my Miata going the same speed.

[–] ZMoney 10 points 1 month ago

Literally children who want big loud vroom vroom trucks with lots of chrome.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

my favorite fun fact is that one time that one 16 year tried to roll coal on bicyclists, and then just ran them over and killed them.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (20 children)

ok real talk. 3 mile island reportedly had no result on the environment, on account of being fully contained. Chernobyl was significant, obviously.

Fukushima as far as we can tell today, has no significant long lasting effects. Notably i've read that rates of certain cancers in areas surrounding the plant did rise, but i've also heard that it was still below the nominal expected rate. So nothing of significant concern. The local sea life near to the plant could very well be an issue, but we don't really have much data on that at the moment. Especially now that they've started releasing tritiated water into the ocean for the next 20-50 years or whatever the fuck the plan is supposed to be.

Nuclear energy fucks around sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

certain cancers in areas surrounding the plant did rise

just a note to add that if you start checking the population for something routinely like thyroid cancer... the rate that you find it goes up. This is why the detected cancer rate increasing is not considered a cause for alarm.

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[–] woelkchen 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He's back to promote nuclear energy and insult everyone who disagrees!

[–] TseseJuer 15 points 1 month ago

those are some smooth pits

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[–] fireweed 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, due to budget constraints, the editor has been fired and replaced with a stoned dog.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

You still can't safely eat mushrooms in parts of Germany that got contaminated by Chernobyl.

[–] Soup 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And there are millions of people who’s homes have been irrevocably changed for the worse by a warming planet. Even those further north are being impacted as they experience floods in some places, droughts in others, and more extreme weather in general.

I don’t give a shit about the mushrooms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not a binary choice between coal (and other fossil fuels) and nuclear. Both are bad for the environment, and we should be looking to renewables instead. I fully agree that the climate crisis is the more pressing issue. I'm personally involved in climate activism. But this post is specifically about radioactivity, not overall impact

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (21 children)

Germany is actively closing nuclear plants, one of the safest and cleanest energy sources, and replacing them with coal, the most dangerous and dirty one.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Yet even accounting for all of that, including Chernobyl and Fukushima, nuclear is still 1000x safer than coal and as safe as wind and solar.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Bbbeeee aaaafffffrrrraaaiiiiiddddddddddddd!1!!1!!!1!!!!1!!1!!!!!1!!!

C'mon. Chernobyl was like a drunk driver bypassing the blow device, and now you want to ban all cars everywhere for everyone and everything for eternity. Just to replace it with horses that kill even more people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

When I misuse a coal plant, it breaks down and potentially pollutes the vicinity. When I misuse a photovoltaic plant, it might get damaged. If I misuse a nuclear plant, an area becomes uninhabitable for centuries.

But accidents are not the main concern, when there are currently nuclear power plants being held hostage in an ongoing war

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

See you're treating all nuclear plants and operation of those plants as the same. It's not. Just like car designs are not the same as they were in 1950, nuclear plant designs are not the same as they were in the 1950s.

You know Chernobyl was because they threw the operating procedure out the window right? But you want to act as if that's just the normal operating procedure. And that it could just happen just because, just from normal operating or something. It's insane.

So you think the US, UK, France, Germany, etc etc etc nuclear plants will be taken hostage by Russians? See you're on your fear campaign once again. Beee aaafffrraaaaiiiiddd!1!11!! That's all it is.

*Have to correct "misuse coal". It's not misuse, it's use. Using coal guarantees polluting both locally and the entire planet.

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