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[–] meleecrits 279 points 7 months ago (14 children)

This is a death sentence for Tesla. I have a Model 3 that I enjoy despite its shortcomings. One of the deciding factors was the supercharger network. It's the easiest system I've used for charging. It makes all other networks infuriating in comparison.

A lot of people get Teslas for the ease of charging alone. If the network starts to falter, people will leave the brand even faster than they already are.

Tesla really needs to vote this idiot out of the CEO position before he kills the company.

[–] Pantsofmagic 110 points 7 months ago (33 children)

Not to mention the charging infrastructure is one of the reasons some people haven't made the switch yet. Anything holding back charging expansion is a disaster in my view.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

US needs to regulate chargers.

Yes, yes, market and all. But look at printers. Or charger cables for small electronic devices (EU stepped in). Lock-in of customers is an incentive working against common chargers.

[–] meleecrits 61 points 7 months ago (6 children)

US needs to regulate chargers.

100%. This should have been addressed years ago, honestly. No one would tolerate VW only being able to gas up at Shell stations due to different nozzles. This is no different.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 49 points 7 months ago

US needs to regulate chargers.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/02/15/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-new-standards-and-major-progress-for-a-made-in-america-national-network-of-electric-vehicle-chargers/

  • The Department of Transportation, in partnership with the Department of Energy, finalized new standards to make charging EVs convenient and reliable for all Americans, including when driving long distances. The new standards will ensure everyone can use the network – no matter what car you drive or which state you charge in. The standards also require strong workforce standards;
  • The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) outlined its final plan for compliance with the Build America, Buy America Act for federally funded EV chargers. Effective immediately, all EV chargers funded through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law must be built in the United States. The plan requires that, effective immediately, final assembly and all manufacturing processes for any iron or steel charger enclosures or housing occur in the United States. By July 2024, at least 55 percent of the cost of all components will need to be manufactured domestically as well;
  • The new Joint Office of Energy and Transportation released a notice of intent to issue a funding opportunity for its Ride and Drive Electric research and development program. This program will advance the goal of building a national network of EV chargers for all Americans by supporting EV charging reliability, resiliency, equity, and workforce development;
  • The Department of Energy today announced $7.4 million in funding for seven projects to develop innovative medium-and heavy-duty EV charging and hydrogen corridor infrastructure plans serving millions of Americans across 23 states;
  • FHWA announced details for its soon-to-launch Charging and Fueling Infrastructure (CFI) discretionary grant program. The program will make available more than $2.5 billion over five years – including $700 million in funding through the first round of funding available to states, localities, Tribes, territories, and public authorities – to deploy publicly accessible charging and alternative fueling infrastructure in communities across the country, including at schools, grocery stores, parks, libraries, apartment complexes, and everywhere else Americans live and work; and,
  • The Administration highlighted major manufacturing and other new facilities spurred by these investments and the Biden-Harris Administration’s Made in America policies, including new commitments from domestic EV charging manufacturers and network operators.

Assuming it isn't strangled in the cradle by Red State infrastructure haters (like the HSR projects through the Midwest that Obama failed to implement), this could be a good thing.

But I've seen so many of these kinds of plans get a ton of money and produce vanishingly little in the way of material change. So we'll see where it all goes.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tesla really needs to vote this idiot out of the CEO position before he kills the company.

That was last year. It's too late now.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (6 children)

They can't because the Musk personality cult is pretty much the only thing keeping the company viable at this point. They are absolutely fucked.

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[–] eeltech 30 points 7 months ago (18 children)

I'm their prime demographic, currently car shopping to replace my wrecked Benz, and was leaning towards a Model 3 up until reading this headline lol. I guess I could still charge at home or if the network fails it could be purchased by another company?

Or I just avoid stressing about it altogether and get a normal car

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[–] hperrin 201 points 7 months ago

Down in flames it is then.

[–] [email protected] 137 points 7 months ago (21 children)

Musk also told staff that he would ask for the resignation of any executive "who retains more than three people who don't obviously pass the excellent, necessary and trustworthy test."

Pssst. Elon. You're not any of those three things.

[–] macrocephalic 46 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Shouldn't he resign based on this criterion?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago

No, just the executive who's retaining him, obviously

Which... I guess that means the board?

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[–] IchNichtenLichten 133 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is this clown trying to tank the company because he didn't get his payout?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 58 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think he's trying to tank the company because he sees Sundar doing the same shit at Google and assumes it will lead to a big payout.

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I've said before that the supercharger network is their most important long term asset. They opened up their plug standard, other manufacturers are jumping on board, and they have the largest network that supports all those new EVs.

Only problem is that it's boring, and Elon doesn't like boring. So now here we are.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (22 children)

What really baffles me is why he totally ghosted his battery swap station idea. That completely solves the range and charging time issue all in one fell swoop. Demonstrated it on stage even. Guessing it either wasn’t profitable enough for him, not s3xy enough, or he wasn’t smart enough to figure out how to scale it up.

[–] SulaymanF 31 points 7 months ago

He announced it as part of a tax break scam, then let the project die.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There's been some discussion over the years that Tesla never seriously tried to make the battery swap work, that they did it to claim subsidies from California which they subsequently never returned to the taxpayers.

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[–] Cuttlefish1111 99 points 7 months ago (41 children)

And herein lies the danger of Billionaires. Who stops them when they want to impose their tyrannical agendas on the vulnerable. Who prevents him from buying an atomic weapon and setting it off for a meme stunt or internet points ?

[–] korny 54 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If only us lowly workers had more rights.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 7 months ago (2 children)

History has proven again and again that rights are taken, not given.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • Fired the Supercharger head and the entire department
  • Fired the lead of new vehicle development
  • Previously fired head of battery development
  • Constantly “one year away” from Tesla full self driving, whilst Mercedes just launched geofenced FSD, with Mercedes assuming 100% liability during FSD
  • Elon just had a out of the blue trip to China, appears to have ‘kissed the ring’ of Beijing, and hyping TaaS robotaxis

What’s Tesla’s USP to an investor now? The supercharger ‘lock in’ and early head start at the EV game are Tesla’s biggest boons, but the former appears to have been gutted and the latter has been squandered on a slow model release schedule

[–] homesweethomeMrL 47 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If the Tesla Board had any responsibilities at all, it was to prevent this by ejecting Elmo. They chose to not.

It is now time to stick a fork in it. Billionaires - Away!

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 7 months ago

But definitely make sure to approve that $53 billion pay package, cuz musk is cleaaaarly doing such an amazing job!

[–] [email protected] 68 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Time to short the stock then, if they are not gonna invest in their own future.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

Layoffs tend to precipitate big stock price jumps in my experience. Investors love job losses

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[–] homesweethomeMrL 66 points 7 months ago

All of which makes the decision to get rid of senior director of EV charging Rebecca Tinucci—along with her entire team—a bit of a head-scratcher. . . . Musk told workers that Tesla "will continue to build out some new Supercharger locations, where critical, and finish those currently under construction."

Many Tesla fans had been holding out hope that Musk would debut a cheap Model 2 EV in recent weeks. Instead, the tycoon promised that robotaxis would save the business . . .

Delivering on that goal is more than just a technical challenge, and it will require the cooperation and approval of state and federal authorities. However, Musk is also dissolving the company's public policy team in this latest cull.

Yeah that's the ballgame.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 7 months ago

He realised electric cars are popular with libs so in a masterful gambit is destroying his company to own them.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 59 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Musk also told staff that he would ask for the resignation of any executive "who retains more than three people who don't obviously pass the excellent, necessary and trustworthy test."

What a complete fuckup of a human. Sad to see so many trusted him. I guess we don't have direct evidence of him being a serial killer at least.

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[–] Passerby6497 58 points 7 months ago (4 children)
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[–] unreasonabro 52 points 7 months ago

Musk has been reading about all the layoffs happening at other companies who are now floundering due to the loss of institutional competence and memory, and goes "we need some of that shiat STAT!"

[–] Sam_Bass 50 points 7 months ago

Anyone really shocked? Everything he owns is the greatest thing on earth until it isnt. Then he tries to sink it further

[–] chakan2 47 points 7 months ago

That's one way to stop a union.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago

When you have a narcissistic sociopath for a boss don't expect job security. All these layoffs and his insane letter will do is cultivate toadying, fear, distrust, cliques and a culture of backstabbing within Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (3 children)

huh

I wonder what's the probability that the current EV makers might unite to create an open source standard alternative now that this has happened?

[–] Khanzarate 40 points 7 months ago (7 children)

There are already 2 of them.

NACS, which is essentially the Tesla charger, was made available to other car manufacturers at no cost already, in 2022. Due to a few reasons, among them the existence of Tesla superchargers already deployed, a lot of companies have adopted this as their charger for newer cars.

Even if Tesla went down completely, their charger is already open, so nah I don't expect any changes based on this.

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[–] kokesh 34 points 7 months ago (3 children)

If they go down... Will the vehicles even work after that? Can they drive offline? Or will Muskrat shut down everything, even the vehicles?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Killed the Golden Goose moment

[–] kokesh 33 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How the hell did he run down a company like Tesla?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (2 children)

He either didn't get his pay package so he is burning the whole place down, or he has really lost his mind.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Outwardly this looks like steering the boat toward the waterfall. I'm guessing this is predicating another move by Musk to "prove" to the stock market that Tesla is an AI company that happens to make cars, rather than a car company that has potential AI products. And (if so) it probably ties into that remark he made about using idle Teslas as compute resources.

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[–] hermitix_world 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ready made team about to take over the EV charging market.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, with their non-competes getting voided by the FTC, you’re not wrong. All of the building blocks are there for a new startup. They’d just need a few investors (who will keep their mitts off of the inner workings, unlike Elon,) willing to foot the bill.

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[–] Zehzin 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

yeah thats what you get for allowing a corpo to build a proprietary, closed charging ecosystem.

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